Who do you think really won Hagler or Leonard?

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  1. EL-MATADOR

    EL-MATADOR Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I watched the fight the other night and scored it 6 5 and one even for Hagler. What do you guys think?
     
  2. chimba

    chimba Off the Somali Coast Full Member

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    I think Leonard won..clearly ..I have to rewatch it and see Haglers body shots... I remember Ray Mancini ringside was saying Hagler won unless they ignore body shots
     
  3. EL-MATADOR

    EL-MATADOR Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hagler definitley landed the more effective punches IMO
     
  4. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    Leonard may have won.

    Or Hagler may have won.


    But neither guy won it clearly.



    On the night, I scored it for Hagler.

    Upon rewatching since, I have scored it for Hagler once or twice, Leonard once or twice and even a draw.

    A great fight with, IMO, an uncertain result.
     
  5. Lindley

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    Sugar Ray Leonard won this fight in terms of winning a boxing match, much like Joe C defeated Hopkins. The expectations were that this fight would be determined from a knockout, much like the Hearns and Hagler. The action was good, but it was Ray's technical handling of how to win the rounds - the flurries in the last 30 seconds of each round. The timing of the fight was strategic as well, as Ray picked a time when Hagler was on the downslide, and older. Hagler had a big name and also Ray used psychology to get into Hagler's head - made him more mad than focused. Ironic how many people can watch the same fight and have such different views. Just like I felt Hopkins schooled Joe C, but it is hard to give Hopkins the win based on how few punches he threw and how many more Joe C threw. Leonard is one of the last fighters to create a strategy when fighting an opponent. Other than Mayweather, I think most of the fighters of today seem to just try to fight their fight and not make adjustments (i.e. like the rope a dope) to the weakness of the other fighter. I think a good recent examples of this would be Paulie against Hatton, Judah, and Roy Jones. You could see in their fights there just did not seem to be a plan, and especially no plan B once they were in trouble or losing in the fight. I think Cotto had a great plan against Margorito, but he just did not have the stamina or the ability to hang with Margorito's pace to complete it.
     
  6. Royal-T-Bag

    Royal-T-Bag Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    exactly. anyone that had Joe C beating B-hop on their card better have scored this fight for Leonard.
     
  7. EL-MATADOR

    EL-MATADOR Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I thought Leonards flurrys at the end of the rounds looked good but were not effective enough to allow him to steal some of those rounds.
     
  8. sthomas

    sthomas Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I watched the fight live on PPV and had no idea who would be announced the winner. It was that close to me. One thing for sure is Hagler screwed up big time in the first 2 rounds by fighting conventional instead of southpaw.
     
  9. EL-MATADOR

    EL-MATADOR Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Agreed. no idea why he did that.
     
  10. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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  11. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    Hagler was landing the cleaner more effective punches.
    Leonard was throwing more.
    If pushed I would say Hagler was unlucky not to win.
     
  12. ocelot

    ocelot Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I voted Leonard, but a draw would have been the best outcome. It was that close.
     
  13. EL-MATADOR

    EL-MATADOR Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This is probably the toughest fight to score ever IMO.
     
  14. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    Hatton vs Collazo was a ***** to score as well.
     
  15. EL-MATADOR

    EL-MATADOR Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Absolutely. I go back and forth on that one.. Today I say Hatton won, but ask me tomorrow and I might say Collazo won.