Who do you think was the most overrated heavyweight boxer ?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Claw4075, Sep 14, 2021.

  1. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Defending Vitali's resume is a lost fight at the beginning. To call it better than Liston's, you'd have to prove that 2000s is significantly better era than Sonny's (to the point that journeymen were better than top 5 fighters) and that's simply not possible. Even if you believe that Vitali fought better fighters, it's impossible to say that he faced higher ranked fighters who did better relative to their competition.

    We should always look at how you do against your competition. I like Vitali, but he didn't face good competition overall and he lost to two best boxers he ever faced.
     
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  2. bboyrei

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    Ali followed by Tyson, not to take anything away from their careers. They're the exceptions to transcending past boxing and you'll get discussions both inside and outside boxing circles about how "Prime Ali/Tyson is unbeatable", "Ali/Tyson vs Bruce Lee/Muay Thai/MMA", and tons of excuses for their losses to FOTC Frazier and Tokyo Douglas to this day.
     
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  3. CroBox29

    CroBox29 Active Member Full Member

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    Rocky Marciano.
     
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  4. Kamikaze

    Kamikaze Afraid of Baboons... Full Member

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    Gotta be 70s Foreman and Liston
     
  5. Claw4075

    Claw4075 New Member Full Member

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    There is literally no proof of his punching power in the form of videos and images while Foreman does. He is nowhere near the strongest man in boxing. Who did he outmuscle ? Light heavyweights ?
    Foreman was still developing physically while Liston was around his prime years.
    He isn't stronger than guys like 6'5 260lbs Lennox Lewis, 6'6 270lbs Primo Carnera or 7'1 310lbs Nikolai Valuev. He was avoided mainly by very low quality opposition.
     
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  6. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Hagiographer Full Member

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    No proof of his punching power?

    Is that a joke?


    How often are legitimate world champions KOed in the first?

    Foreman probably hit harder IMO, but Liston was much better rounded, and I think there's a very strong case he was better overall.
     
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  7. Claw4075

    Claw4075 New Member Full Member

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    I don't really think this counts to his power as Patterson was known to be chinny and had been dropped literally over 20 times throughout his whole career. Also he was literally a light heavyweight in this fight.
     
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  8. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Hagiographer Full Member

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    How many people KOed Patterson?
     
  9. Claw4075

    Claw4075 New Member Full Member

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    Heavyweights who outweighed him by 10-20 pounds (including Liston) and Johansson. Ali could've knocked him out but instead decided to punish him.
     
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  10. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Or, their wrong.....
     
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  11. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

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    For me its always been Fitzsimmons and Jeffries. When I was a kid just starting to get into the sport I read James Durant's book on the heavyweight champions. And with what I already knew about the sport from excessively watching it I was amazed at reading about this middleweight sized fighter who was heavyweight champ and Jeffries - from his picture - thinking to myself, "Man, he looks like the Michellin Man." Even then, reading about his 'wondrous stance' of holding his left out in an extended fashion like a weaving pole, I thought to myself in my own very immature and sarcastic way, "Oh, that's going to work". Over the years when I managed to see as much video footage of them, rather than run them down I will just say they never passed the eye test for me and any fighter has to pass the eye test for me. The legend does not get a pass from me, nor should it from anyone.