Who does Jerry Quarry beat more decisively?

Mike Tyson did not knocked Holmes with single brutal right hand as you Tyson fan described!Tyson catch Holmes with few left hooks and got him down and finished him with right while Shavers knocked Holmes with only one right hand!
Tyson stopped which Holmes?I know that you are Tyson fan because you did not mentioned that Shavers knocked prime Holmes in 178 when Shavers was past his best while Tyson knocked grampa 39 years old Holmes who came after 2 years layoff with only 2 week notice!
You did not mentioned that Holmes from 1978 and Holmes from 1988 are not same person!Tyson took several KOs to put him down when he was old while Shavers needed only one to put him out and that was prime Holmes!
Tyson would never stop 1978 prime Holmes because he struggled to put old Holmes down!
So Shavers knocked 1978 Holmes>>>>>>>>>>>Tyson Holmes and even Tyson needed several blows to put grampa Holmes down!
Of course the best puncher who put Holmes down with one punch down in his prime was not guy who floored him when he was old and needed several punches to put him down!
It was a guy who put down again young Holmes with one punch not the boy who put him when he was old with several blows!
You also did not mentioned that Tillis fought even more ancient Shavers who put him down for long count and almost had him out while Tillis recovered from Tyson punch very easy!22 who beat Tillis were at most later when he was past his best!
Just like Tillis was never knocked out cold with one punch even against Morrison and Tyson and old Shavers did that with one punch and almost had him out!
Just like Larry Simms who fought 42 years old Shavers and young Tyson who said SHAVERS is much harder puncher and why?Because Tyson needed 3 rounds to stop him by TKO while old Shavers needed only 1 round to take him out cold!

 

The vast majority of Shavers's KO's / TKO's were against opponents that weighed under 200 pounds.

If you take a in depth look at Shavers's fighting record, you will see that he has:
- a 90.9% KO ratio against -200 lbs opponents;
- a 68.4% KO ratio against +200 lbs opponents;
- a 47.8% KO ratio against +215 lbs opponents (11 KO's in 23 fights).

And out of those that he KO'd:
- many had been KO'ed before fighting him;
- many got a loss within 1 year of fighting him;
- 10 had a median weight of 201 lbs, and 8 of them were bums (like Young Agabab (0-1, 196 lbs) or Steve Carter (15-7, 190 lbs)) and only 2 were somewhat decent (Howard Smith (17-2, 202 lbs) and Tony Perea (KO7) (16-1, 206 lbs)).

Shavers's best wins/KO's are against:
- Ken Norton;
- Jimmy Ellis (199 lbs), for which he could have been disqualified (for holding Ellis' head with the left and then uppercutting)
and
- Joe Bugner, which ended on a cut.

In other words: Once you ignore funny quotes and legends it turns out that Shavers was considered "the hardest puncher" based on KO'ing mainly cruisers and nobodies.

By comparison, Tyson has:
- a 100% KO ratio against -200 lbs opponents;
- a 78% KO ratio against +200 lbs opponents;
- a 73.6% KO ratio against +215 lbs opponents (28 KO's in 38 fights).

There is no proof whatsoever of that.
Along with Ali, Patterson and Tyson had the fastest hands.
But nobody accurately measured their hand speed to see in which order they rank.

Douglas was a 240 pound HW that battered an unprepared Tyson all night long and only finished him after a 5 punch combo.
As for the other two loses:
- Tyson was completely washed up and didn't train one bit;
- he tore a knee ligament against Williams and underwent surgery a few days after the fight. He basically fought with one good leg.
- McBride never KO'd him, Tyson was just too exhausted to continue and he was dominating when he was fresh.

 

THEY ONLY FIGHTER THAT BEAT QUARRY THAT ALWAYS KEPT COMING WAS JOE FRAZIER, CHUVALO GOT THE WIN WITH THE "WRONG COUNT" BUT HE LOOKED LIKE HE'D BEEN IN A TRAIN WRECK, Machen, Ellis, Ali, & Norton did not come to Jerry. Lyle, Shavers , Foster, Bodell, etc did and paid the price.
Jerry was an EXPERT COUNTER PUNCHER, saying he could not beat someone coming constantly forward makes no sense. ONLY FRAZIER prosperd (twice)

 

Shavers only lost against opponents that were significantly bigger than him in his prime and that was mostly due to poor stamina. Comparing him to Klitskho isn't really fair though he was knocked out by a opponent that was 20 lbs smaller than himself (Lamon Brewster) It was a different era and all the champions were tall and strong. (Norton, Ali, Foreman, Lyle, Holmes etc.)

So before you count Earnie Shavers as a pillow-puncher, listen to his opponents because I'm sure they know best!
That doesn't prove lack of good punching power. That just proves that there are really tough *******s fighting. As far as Boxing goes, power is just a tool in the tool box.
You could argue that there have been better punchers, but there's little doubt that E.S. is one of the better ones in heavyweight history. That’s not to say guys like the Kiltshkos aren’t great punchers, and not saying that E.S. was a great all-around boxer.

He fought 88 times, and knocked out 67 guys. Lots of those were within a round or two. That’s too many times to be written off as a fluke, or to weak-chinned opponents.

A lot of the guys he flattened were guys who were tough to knock down, and almost impossible to knock out. That list would include Joe Bugner, Larry Holmes, Ron Lyle, and yes, Jimmy Ellis (who cares about weight – the guy only lost 12 times, and only a few times within the distance). Throw Ken Norton in that list too – yes, we all remember the big Foreman KO, but Ken was only stopped 4 times.

And yeah – all those big names have been in the ring with all the other big guys. And some of them aren’t overly diplomatic. So why would almost all of them speak extravagantly about Earnie’s power?
Boxing always teaches you the truth, "Some fighters are born with KO power, some simply can't punch". You don;t need to be a 230+ pound guy to get good knockout ratios, you just need to learn how to punch properly(Move your torso to gather extra power onto your punch). The best example being Marciano and Frazier. When they punch, they shivelled their bodies towards the direction of the punch gathering extra leverage. With Shavers, he was simply a born puncher with extra power. So, don;t call him a feather-fisted lightweight. It's quite unfortunate that the power of Shavers and Foreman's punches were never measured. Had they measured their punches, you would not have even written this biased-article.
So amongst HWs, it is possible that a guy ~ 200 lbs. could be amongst the best or the best ever-as could a 250 or 260 lb. fighter.

But the overriding points here are that QUALITY of competition must be considered. Also the PEAK of each boxer: losing a lot when you fight a ton or after your peak does not say how good you were at your peak.
Well, the so called 'SUPER HEAVYWEIGHTS' of this era would still be in the heavyweight division of that era. But still we don't see too much so called 'SUPER HEAVYWEIGHT' domination in the golden era except for George Foreman mainly. There had been guys like Ron Lyle or Cleveland Williams but non dominant than their so call 'FEATHERWEIGHT' counterparts.

So it is better to assume that the heavyweight division was far more competitive than today. Seriously Mr. Author name any 5 super heavyweight of this era and see how many people have heard of them(boxing fans I'm talking about) and I would say that Ali could have KO ed Wladimir Klitschko. Rocky Marciano would send him to hospital. And if he would have fought your 'FEATHERWEIGHTS' like Joe Frazier he would know he didn't have a big enough trouble in his career.
Don't really rate Earnie Shavers, but I thought I would have an objective look at his KO stats and see if he should be considered a power puncher, or not. I have excluded his last three fights in his second career for fairness, so I can compare him to Wladimir and Foreman's first career.

Earnie Shavers
Sub 200 pounds. 200-214 pounds. 215-229 pounds. 230+ pounds
28/31. 20/25. 6/12. 5/6
90%. 80%. 50%. 84%

Wladimir
Sub 215 pounds. 215-229 pounds. 230+ pounds
6/8. 14/19. 34/38
75%. 74%. 89%

Foreman's first career
Sub 200 pounds. 200-214 pounds. 215-229 pounds. 230+ pounds
13/16. 12/14. 8/9. 3/3
81%. 86%. 89%. 100%

Now first off I am not saying Earnie Shavers is a great boxers by any means, but he is a good boxer and you can see why he is considered a power puncher. There is clearly an unusual drop in the 215-229 category to 50%, but one of the reason for this drop his because he fought Ali, Ken Norton and Ron Lyle who were all in the 215-229 category. If you exclude those fights his record would be a not so bad 67% KO rate. Objectively Earnie Shavers is not a great fighter, but is clearly a power puncher. Also you can see from these stats a young George Foreman beate Shavers in all but the sub 200 pound category, and beats Wladimir decisively in every weight category.

 

quotes on Shavers' power by his opponents…

• ·Tex Cobb: "Nobody hits like Shavers. If anybody hit harder than Shavers, I'd shoot him."
• ·Larry Holmes: "Earnie hit me harder than any other fighter, including Mike Tyson. He hit me and I was face down on the canvas hearing saxophonist Jimmy Tillis."
• ·Tex Cobb: "Earnie could punch you in the neck with his right hand and break your ankle."
• ·Muhammad Ali: "Earnie hit me so hard, he shook my kinfolk back in Africa"
• ·Ron Lyle: "Hey man, that's the hardest I've ever been hit in my life. And George Foreman could punch, but none of them could hit like Earnie Shavers did. When he hit you, the lights went out. I can laugh about it now, but at the time,it wasn't funny."
• ·Ron Lyle: "Hardest he's ever been hit: Earnie Shavers. The ground came up and met me. That's all I remember."
• ·James Tillis: "Shavers hit so hard he turned horse p*ss into gasoline! He hit me so hard he brought back tomorrow. When he hit me… I was seeing pink rats and cats and animals smoking cigarettes. I was in the land of make-believe."
• ·James Tillis: "The baddest motherf*cker I fought was Earnie Shavers. That motherf*cker can make July into June and made me jump over the motherf*ckin' moon. That motherf*cker hit so hard, he'll bring back tomorow. He hit me so hard, I thought I was on the corner smoking cigarette and eating a spam sandwich. That's how hard that motherf*cker hit."

 

There is a proof of that!Ali said Patterson is more skilled and Tyson opponent Ruddock himself rewatched TYSON and Patterson and he said Patterson was quicker!
Also Cus stated Floyd was fastest fighter he ever trained!
Patterson Could tie combinations together faster than tyson, he also incorporated his jab into the combos, more often than tyson did.
Also on videos Patterson left hook was way faster than Tyson even in his olympic days when he knocked his opponents!
Douglas was fat bum not even big but fat and was really 225lb-230 in shape but he was fat!Same Douglas got knocked by Tucker and Holyfield!
Thing and excuses about unprepared Mike you could wipe your ass because Tyson trained for that fight!There was even videos of him sparing and training in Tokyo with McCall and Page so lie about unpreparing you could tell to smeone else because it is just excuse!
He was prepared for that fight and there is even a videos of that so you could not longer say that lies!
He finished him with one uppercut and one jab not combinations and Douglas was weak puncher!He got knocked by Holyfield in 3 rounds!
All night?You call 10 rounds all night but forgott that all night means full 12 or 15 rounds!If his all night was chubby 10 rounds what Frazier,Ali or Marciano could say about 15 rounds and never be knocked out?
"- Tyson was completely washed up and didn't train one bit;
- he tore a knee ligament against Williams and underwent surgery a few days after the fight. He basically fought with one good leg.
- McBride never KO'd him, Tyson was just too exhausted to continue and he was dominating when he was fresh"
Excuses like every other stupid TYSONITE EXCUSES!
He was so washed at 38 years old?What about Liston,Holmes,Moore fighting at that age and unlike him they did not have rest period of 3 years!Also if they got beaten they were beaten by top guys or champions not by bums like your hero!
What about Holyfield at that age fought Toney,Ruiz,Botha...and he was eve older but never gassed or knocked out?
What about 45 years old Foreman being HW chapmion and never off his feet?
What about washed Ali 38 years old who did not train and was even in worse shape than Tyson but he was never knocked out?
So I make your excuses looks stupid!

 

- he tore a knee ligament against Williams and underwent surgery a few days after the fight. He basically fought with one good leg.
Tucker almost won with broken hand,Ali won fights with both legs after surgery and what about Gatti,Shavers broke arms but they did not quit but won fights against top fighters not bums?
Following a lopsided, knock-out loss to Lennox Lewis on June 8, 2002, Mike Tyson decided to make another attempt at a comeback. Tyson returned to boxing on February 22, 2003, to face fringe contender Clifford Etienne, who he was able to knock out 49 seconds into the fight. Tyson's impressive performance led to Lewis offering Tyson a rematch with Lewis' titles at stake, but Tyson passed on the offer, claiming that he would need at least two other tune up fights before he would consider facing Lewis again.

Tyson was then given the option to compete on the undercard of Lewis' title defense against Vitali Klitschko on June 21, 2003, after which Tyson would have two additional fights before taking on Lewis in their rematch. Tyson initially agreed and was set to meet future WBC heavyweight champion Oleg Maskaev, but Tyson pulled out of the bout after former promoter Don King allegedly used threats to prevent Tyson from signing the contract.[1]

Tyson ultimately could not fight for the remainder of 2003 after running into several legal problems, including being arrested after fighting two Pennsylvania men in the lobby of a New York Marriott Hotel in June,[2] facing a lawsuit from King bodyguard Isadore Bolton stemming from a scuffle in Florida in which Tyson allegedly broke a bone in Bolton's face.[3] He also filed for bankruptcy in August.[4]

In June 2004, Tyson announced his plans to face little-known British heavyweight Danny Williams on July 30 of that year. Despite taking a 17–month layoff after his previous fight against Etienne, Tyson still entered the fight as a 9–1 favorite.[5]
So he was not washed or in bad shape!
Tyson came out strong and dominated the first round. At the midway point of the first, Tyson staggered Williams with a left uppercut, causing a shaken Williams to clinch with Tyson. Tyson continued to hammer Williams with power punches and was able to again stagger Williams with 20 seconds left in the round, but Williams managed to clinch Tyson and made it through the first round without suffering any knock-downs. Tyson, however, had injured his left knee - by tearing a ligament - which would impair his movement and ability to throw punches for the rest of the fight. He underwent surgery for the injury a few days later.[6]

Williams had a much better second round, being able to land several power punches and trading blows with Tyson during the final minute, but Tyson still managed to win the round on all three of the judges' scorecards. Williams attempted to remain competitive with Tyson in the third round, but had two points deducted for two separate fouls, one for an errant elbow that opened a cut above Tyson's right eye, and another for a low blow. In round four, however, Tyson began to tire, neither throwing nor landing as many punches as he had in the previous rounds.

With only 25 seconds remaining, Williams began to rain in a long, unanswered combination, which ultimately sent Tyson into the ropes and onto the canvas with 10 seconds left in the round. Tyson remained seated on the canvas before finally attempting to get back up as the referee's count reached seven. Although the groggy Tyson was able to get back up, he narrowly missed beating the referee's count of ten. As a result, Williams was declared the winner by knock-out at 2:51 of the fourth round.[7]
Tyson not only was beaten but quit!

- McBride never KO'd him, Tyson was just too exhausted to continue and he was dominating when he was fresh

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• Early in the sixth round, Tyson tried to break McBride's left arm while the two were in a clinch, as he did when he fought Francois Botha in 1999. Tyson then opened a cut over McBride's left eye with an intentional headbutt. The ringside doctor examined the cut, and referee Joe Cortez deducted two points from Tyson for the foul. McBride later claimed that Tyson bit one of his nipples.
• Right as the bell sounded to end the sixth round, Tyson went down on his backside along the ropes, but the referee ruled it a slip. An exhausted Tyson didn't look like he wanted to get up, but he eventually did and slowly went back to his corner. Moments later, he quit on his stool.
• The Washington Post reported: "McBride is fortunate that Tyson decided to quit. Despite out-classing Tyson in five of the six rounds, two judges, Tammye Jenkins and Stephen Rados

. As the round came to a close, a shove by McBride caused Tyson to fall to the canvas, but it was ruled a slip rather than a knockdown. Tyson would have won the round, but the two-point deduction gave McBride a 9–8 win on the scorecards.

Though Tyson still led on two of the judge's scorecards, Tyson shockingly quit on his stool before the seventh round began, automatically giving McBride the victory by technical knockout.[4]

 

Yes, if Ali and Ruddock said it than it must be true.
First of all, neither Ali, nor Ruddock fought both Tyson and Patterson to be able to compare.
Second of all, Ali ain't got a ****ing clue what being skilled is since he himself was never skilled and relied on his physical attributes rather than on proper fundamentals and skill to win.
All they have is opinions that aren't based on ****.
As for Cus, he is not biased, but given his advanced age when he worked with Mike, it would be very hard for him to say exactly who was faster, since the speed gap was minimal and could swing either way.

Douglas was a lazy fighter and he never gave it his all, but he was a good boxer with solid fundamentals.
That all changed when his mom died and he trained harder than ever, as he promised her he'd become HW champ. On that night against Tyson we saw the best possible version of Douglas.
Douglas was doing ok and was leading the bout until he gassed out in the latter rounds against Tucker.
Douglas was overweight against Holyfield and didn't train that hard. He weighed around 231 against Tyson and around 246 vs Holyfield, that's a big difference.

Tyson was not prepared properly for that fight, neither physically, neither mentally:
- he had undergone through a messy divorce with Robin Givens;
- he had been in a street fight in which he injured his hand;
- he lost his sister Denise;
- he was doing Japanese maids and hookers;
- he was struggling during training sessions, and was even dropped by Greg Page in one sparring session.
His focus on boxing and his skills began declining after he fired Rooney, and that was obvious even in his fight against Bruno.
During the match with Douglas, Tyson rarely making any effort to close the reach advantage Douglas had on him, like he did against other tall opponents with good jabs, like Holmes, Tucker and Biggs. Tyson slipped under their jabs and countered with combos to the body and the head. He did very little of that vs Douglas.
Not to mention the fact that he had 3 incompetent bums in his corner instead of Rooney and his original cornermen.
If I remember correctly Snowel used a balloon/bag of some sorts filled with water in order to try and reduce Tyson's swelling over his eyes.
Their stupidity knew no boundaries. Not to mention that they couldn't give him any proper advice as to how to tackle Douglas, the way a good/proper trainer wood.
So even though Tyson was not old, he clearly wasn't properly prepared.

Go watch that fight again. He finished Mike with an uppercut followed by a 4-5 punch combo.
And Douglas was by no means a weak puncher. Any HW that weighs 230 lbs and puts his weight behind his punches definitely ain't weak.
I'm not implying Douglas was a monster puncher, but he definitely wasn't weak.

First of all, those men had different fighting styles than Tyson. The peek-a-boo style requires a lot more stamina since your are constantly bobbing, weaving and shifting angles in order to get in close and land your shots, thus you burn far more energy. It also requires speed and reflexes, and those fade as you age. Basically it's a young man's style.
Tyson was not prepared well enough to use it effectively in his mid to late 30's. Plus he barely had any interest into boxing and got into the ring mostly for a paycheck.
As you age, you loose your speed and reflexes, but you still retain power and your height and reach. That's why fighters like Liston, Holmes and Foreman were more successful in the late 30's-early 40's.
Holyfield was on steroids, so he's not a good example.
And Ali got his ass beat up by that age, so mentioning him is not helping your case either. Holmes could have KO'd him at any time, but took pity on him. Holmes even cried after the fight cause he had to hurt him.
Foreman only won the title due to a fluke. Moorer schooled him all night long. Foreman also lost to every good fighter he met in the 90's.

No, you only make yourself look stupid.

 

"Yes, if Ali and Ruddock said it than it must be true.
First of all, neither Ali, nor Ruddock fought both Tyson and Patterson to be able to compare.
Second of all, Ali ain't got a ****ing clue what being skilled is since he himself was never skilled and relied on his physical attributes rather than on proper fundamentals and skill to win.
All they have is opinions that aren't based on ****.
As for Cus, he is not biased, but given his advanced age when he worked with Mike, it would be very hard for him to say exactly who was faster, since the speed gap was minimal and could swing either way."
Ali words are true because he fought many of them an he fought Patterson twice and stated that he was most skillful!
Ruddock watched Patterson and was trained by Patterson himself and Ruddock atched Patterson many times when he fought!
Ali got ****ig clue because you are bum and stupid Tyson fan while he fought more than 70 people and was only here who can confirm something!Ali was skilled and relied many times on his atributes but he never fought against anyone with same tactic unlike Tyson who fought with same game plan for years!
Ali used to change tactics for each fighter!When someone is weak he beat on power but when someone is stronger he beat him by outboxing him!All they have oppinions but all them stated same and you are no one to say Ali oppinion is bad!
Age?Antoher excuse maybe Cus was blind when he worked with Patterson or Tyson?
Patterson was faster on videos and fighters,judges and trainers who saw him and Mike stated that he was faster and that was end of the story!

 

"Douglas was a lazy fighter and he never gave it his all, but he was a good boxer with solid fundamentals.
That all changed when his mom died and he trained harder than ever, as he promised her he'd become HW champ. On that night against Tyson we saw the best possible version of Douglas.
Douglas was doing ok and was leading the bout until he gassed out in the latter rounds against Tucker.
Douglas was overweight against Holyfield and didn't train that hard. He weighed around 231 against Tyson and around 246 vs Holyfield, that's a big difference."
Douglas was medicore boxer just contender who got luck but in some better eras he would got killed as he got by Holygield!He was medicore boxer and that is it!
Yeah now more excuses because Holyfield beat him easier?
Did not Douglas beat McCall after his mom died?He was also beat by Tucker!
Douglas did good only 5 rounds against Tucker and after that he was beaten to death!
Douglas according to boxrec was 229 against Tyson and 242 and three quarters for Holyfield fight which is not big difference!
I know you would pull many excuses but Holyfield woulc catch him sooner or later with that counter!
Douglas was just one hit wonder who was beaten by journeyman Tucker and by CW Holyfield and you again pull the size but forgott that Douglas was 30 pounds bigger than Holyfield and Evander still beat him easier than Tyson!

 

"Tyson was not prepared properly for that fight, neither physically, neither mentally:
- he had undergone through a messy divorce with Robin Givens;
- he had been in a street fight in which he injured his hand;
- he lost his sister Denise;
- he was doing Japanese maids and hookers;
- he was struggling during training sessions, and was even dropped by Greg Page in one sparring session.
His focus on boxing and his skills began declining after he fired Rooney, and that was obvious even in his fight against Bruno.
During the match with Douglas, Tyson rarely making any effort to close the reach advantage Douglas had on him, like he did against other tall opponents with good jabs, like Holmes, Tucker and Biggs. Tyson slipped under their jabs and countered with combos to the body and the head. He did very little of that vs Douglas.
Not to mention the fact that he had 3 incompetent bums in his corner instead of Rooney and his original cornermen.
If I remember correctly Snowel used a balloon/bag of some sorts filled with water in order to try and reduce Tyson's swelling over his eyes.
Their stupidity knew no boundaries. Not to mention that they couldn't give him any proper advice as to how to tackle Douglas, the way a good/proper trainer wood.
So even though Tyson was not old, he clearly wasn't properly prepared."
If anyone had tough times before fight it was Buster himself:
-his mother died
-his father died
-he struggled with money
-his wife had problems giving birth
-whole community put pressure on him
-coach left him
-high pressure and health problem
But again he did not pull excuses but he won the godamn fight!Rooney was just hyped!He was never good trainer and ask Pazienza why who was trained by him!If Rooney was special how Tyson beat Stewart,Spinks and Ruddock?And how he finished Bruno after prison in less time than first meeting?

 

"Go watch that fight again. He finished Mike with an uppercut followed by a 4-5 punch combo.
And Douglas was by no means a weak puncher. Any HW that weighs 230 lbs and puts his weight behind his punches definitely ain't weak.
I'm not implying Douglas was a monster puncher, but he definitely wasn't weak."
I rewatched fight few times and again it was not followed combination!It was one punch who knocked him and before that only two punches staggered him!It was not 4,5,6 pucnhes combos but one uppercut and he was knocked by jab which was weakest punch and that proves how his chin was bad!Douglas was not weak puncher?He was so damn weak puncher than other than Tyson he never knocked anybody notable!His onlyg ood win is against McCall and other than that he was beaten by everybody!
His Ko ratio is also very weak for a champion and never knocked anybody noable or even anybody who could fight!
He was weak puncher!All that weight but he was feather fisted and could not knock some bums whom Holyfield and also some bums beat easier!

 

"First of all, those men had different fighting styles than Tyson. The peek-a-boo style requires a lot more stamina since your are constantly bobbing, weaving and shifting angles in order to get in close and land your shots, thus you burn far more energy. It also requires speed and reflexes, and those fade as you age. Basically it's a young man's style.
Tyson was not prepared well enough to use it effectively in his mid to late 30's. Plus he barely had any interest into boxing and got into the ring mostly for a paycheck.
As you age, you loose your speed and reflexes, but you still retain power and your height and reach. That's why fighters like Liston, Holmes and Foreman were more successful in the late 30's-early 40's.
Holyfield was on steroids, so he's not a good example.
And Ali got his ass beat up by that age, so mentioning him is not helping your case either. Holmes could have KO'd him at any time, but took pity on him. Holmes even cried after the fight cause he had to hurt him.
Foreman only won the title due to a fluke. Moorer schooled him all night long. Foreman also lost to every good fighter he met in the 90's."
First of all Frazier had similar style with more constant bobing and weaving and guess what he was never tired after few rounds and istead he went 15 rounds few times without getting tired and was able to KO someone great as Ali in 15th round yet he as not tired as Tyson!
Qawi and Cooper also had similar styles and they were never tired and they went 15 rounds!Frazier style requires alot more stamina than peek a boo because his more constant moving and because more rounds in his time yet he never got tired!
If it is a young man style how Patterson used same peek a boo at age of almost 40 to outbox Bonavena with same moving without getting tired and also 15 rounds against Chuvalo?He was never tired and peek a boo is for all ages!
Many of them were not interested and were there for payday but they were not knocked out by bums but intead defeated by chapmions or top fighters!
Like Ali who went 15 roundsa against Holmes with not bums like McBried but against Holmes and Berbick when he had parkinsson disease but yet he was never tired or knocked off his feets!He was never knocked even when he was sick,unshaped and there for payday!
Same thing for Holmes and Holyfield!
If it is all about reach how old Shavers knocked Simms when he was 42 years old faster than Tyson who was young?
And how Tua was able to fight even in his old age without reach and he was never gassed?
Holyfield was on steroids so was Tyson but unlike Tyson Holyfield never used fake D I C K but passed all blood tests while Tyson used fake **** and was caught plus he came back ripped!Holyfield was on steroids in early 90s but late he was not and fought regulary and still won many fights at old Age!
Really Holmes with weak punch could knock Ali?He would just punched him not knocking him out!
Berbick tried to KO Ali so did Spinks but they failed even knowing they tried very hard!

 

Did not Buster Douglas go through personal family tragedies prior to his title bout against champion Mike Tyson, it was well documented, Douglas went into the bout with nothing to lose, he handled the outer distractions in a mature manner. He had a son to raise and other responsibilities to tend to.