Who does Marciano beat?

I was paying attention to the other skills Marciano brought to the table mention in the video, Not many people point out when Marciano is hurt, he has his own way of escaping and even than if you follow him or on the offense, Marciano would still be in position to land his own shot. Yeah it may be "Marciano-fu" But I found the video insightful that Marciano was not just swinging home runs for Ko's. Move people around with his head to the chest, How his ducks always leaves him in position to land a right or counter punch ete. The arm jab block Rocky does or how he uses his movement to get past the jab.

 

Pretty much agree although I believe Wilder knocks him out as does 90's Foreman. Berbick could possibly make it to the final bell but lose and Tua/Marciano is 50/50.

 

Man.

I see him beating Wlad. I just do.

 

The weak bums of his era

 

"I can go 10 rounds with him, but not 15." - Roland LaStarza

 

Bringing the rear foot first is very awkward and counter intuitive. It's also an easy way to be off balance. I'm honestly amazed he didn't get countered and knocked down more than he did if this was how he normally operated in fights. Even a simple jab could throw you off.

 

Guys I feel that this " Marciano " thing is really gone past its sell by date, of all the interesting and various topics we could discuss, why , oh why, do we have to rehash all the old , cliches, and diretripe , that is inherent in this thread, we have ( well I have ) seen it all a dozen times, please , put an end to this all too boring topic No ? stay safe amigos.

 

You said you're a trainer. Do you teach any of your shorter students to box like Marciano? How come virtually no trainer today or within the last 70 years since Rocky retired is training their students that way?

Dempsey, Frazier, Tyson, etc were all shorter heavies who have nothing in common with Rocky style wide other than being short tough power punchers. They all have completely different fundamentals, footwork, and approach and all 3 have more things in common with each other than Rocky. Why is that?

The reason this came up is because of the video Dempsey1238 posted and in the video that's what they claim. I agree it's ridiculous. I even tried it on my lunch break and it's incredibly awkward and counter intuitive. Someone fighting out of an Orthodox stance constantly moving forward with their back foot first would be in serious trouble in the amateurs, let alone pros, and their body would be very off balance.

 

Uh, I took karate, fought in tournaments, and have witnessed dozens of karate matches. I don't remember seeing anyone moving with the back foot first intentionally. They almost always moved their front foot first and pushed off the back leg just like in boxing. The only time I saw someone bring the rear foot first was to set up a side thrust kick, which usually involves turning to the side to maintain balance. Normally boxers don't do this so it doesn't count anyway.

Where did you get this information out of curiosity? Do you have any clips?

Also, using a feint to get someone to open up is completely different from making that your default method of advancing (bringing the rear foot first).

 

In my opinion he doesn't even beat the guys that he did beat. He's a real outlier when doing H2H analysis.

 

I have never seen a boxer alternately being dramatically overrated and underrated.

 

David Tua and Qawi have more in common with Marciano then the other two. So you’re wrong on that no one was trained that way. To answer your question I try to train my kids based on their skill sets and natural abilities and assign them a style that best suits them. I have one kid who I made watch Qawi and Marciano and I train him like that and he’s an absolute beast who id put against anyone (my best student by far). The sole reason why men don’t train people to fight like Qawi or Marciano is that it’s illegal in the amateurs to bend that low but not in the pros. So of course most trainers don’t train them like that because they want them to say win the gloves or something. I don’t train for a gym I teach inner city kids for free. Although I have worked in conjunction with gyms and trainers.

 

Away from my collection of books at the moment, but it would have been in the books written by the guys who did open tournaments in the 60s to early 80s. Possibly Dan Anderson's book, though it's been a while. It might also be in Norris's in his section on shuffling attack sequences.

 

When you are big, you are taught to "fight big", to not give up your advantages in height, weight, strength and length. And having those assets is always preferable (up to a point) to not having them. The couple assets we have seen that can defuse the above model, when done absolutely correct, is speed and balance. But it ain't easy and you need top level of both.

 

Tua and Qawi have several differences from Marciano but we're going to go way off topic if we keep going this direction.

You didn't really answer my second question for why pro coaches aren't training guys like that. It's been 70 years, we have plenty of footage of Marciano and nobody has tried to repeat it.