Who does Ortiz get next?

Of course Hearn didn't offer him a shot when could he have done so? Look at the time line of events, there was never a possibility of Hearn being able to organise a fight with Ortiz.

April 2016 Joshua beats Martin, wins title.

June 2016 Joshua fights Breazeale in the first of the 2 fight options Haymon got on Joshua when agreeing the Martin fight. So Hearn here is powerless to choose any other opponent than what Haymon chooses.

July 2016 Ortiz pulls out of WBA eliminator for mandatory spot vs Ustinov. So again no way Hearn can make Joshua/Ortiz when Ortiz himself was looking to fight someone else.

Nov 2016 Ortiz fight Scott but of course as Haymon still has options on Joshua and Ortiz is not a Haymon fighter then, he isn't getting a shot even if Hearn wanted to give him a shot.

Dec 2016 Ortiz fights Allen on the Joshua/Molina undercard.

Dec 2016 Joshua fights Molina in the second of the 2 fight options Haymon has on Joshua, so again Hearn has no choice on who Joshua fights here. Hearn then announces Joshua/Wlad after the fight. Should Hearn of not unified with Wlad and fought Ortiz? Fact is Wlad was the tougher opponent and more lucrative option.

March 2017 Ortiz signs with Al Haymon

April 2017 Joshua KO Wlad and again nobody would of wanted Joshua/Ortiz instead of Joshua/Wlad it was the biggest fight that could be made.

Only after Wlad is it really feasible that Hearn possible makes a fight with Ortiz. Both Pulev and Ortiz are mandatory opponents, one of them has to be faced next right. Hearn has built up Ortiz with 2 fights on his shows, unlike Pulev who he's not tried to build for Joshua like he did with Ortiz or later on with Povetkin when Povetkin fought Price. Seems a no brainer that Hearn is gonna pick Ortiz, but....

July 2017 Wilder/Ortiz is reported to be close to being finalised, 2 dates at the Barclays center already reserved for the fight. Chances of this fight not happening now are slim, it's all but signed and sealed.

Aug 2017 WBA and IBF mandate Joshua face their mandatories. What does Hearn do try and make the Ortiz fight who is already all but signed to fight Wilder or fight Pulev. Answer is simple, one guy is free the other is not, Hearn chooses Pulev. Chances that Haymon would agree to Joshua/Ortiz when he's all but signed Wilder/Ortiz and even reserved venues are slim at best.

4 Sept Joshua/Pulev announced

18 Sept 2017 Wilder/Ortiz announced.

 

Yeah fair enough, I wasn't really concentrating, I was thinking Wilder Vs Scott, my mistake but you are not worth my full attention but regardless he still got stopped by Chisora, that's a fact, it's in the record books.

Anyway, are you going to give me a legitimate answer?

Who has Ortiz beat to justify a top 3 rating? Who?

He hasn't beat anybody worth talking about, he isn't top 3 no way, you were and are wrong.

You can't justify that claim you made and haven't, apart from chopping and changing your mind about how you come to that conclusion, first resumes and oppositions don't matter and then they do.

 

Didn't know that. I guess that's a valid reason, though rather bizarre considering his own failed tests and he himself after agreeing to be tested year round by VADA after his first failed test then stopped being tested by them, probably down to the cost. Only for him to use VADA testing as a reason for the fight not happening. Not the most consistent argument.

Don't blame him not wanting to go to Russia but fact is had he not pulled out of the first fight he would of fought Ustinov in the USA. But because he pulled out, it went to purse bids and of course he lost which then moved the fight to Russia.

 

Man, you still don't get it, aren't you?

Ortiz didn't have the best promotion team behind him, he didn't get the big fights and big names. He was ducked by anyone out there because of HIGH RISK LOW OUTPUT (logically).

He beat Jennings in a better fashin than Wlad did.
He beat Tony Thompson in a better fashin than Pulev and in the same fashin as Wlad.
He beat Cojanu in a better fashin than Parker.
He beat Dave Allen in a better fashion than Whyte.
He beat Malik Scott in a 12 round beatdown, scored 3 legit KDs and Scott failed a 10count once but the ref give a **** about that.

Whad do you want to hear? You are too dumb.

Watch Ortiz and his skills and you know he is a threat to anyone. Wilder knows it, 99% of the forum here know it but the dumbest piece of **** obviously doesn't know it.

FU, i ignore a shit**** face like you from now on. You exposed yourself as a Boxrec stats ****er who DKSAB. Go on Boxrec and learn some stats.

CHISORA BLASTED OUT SCOTT

LOLOLOL

 

It was some kind of strange yes, but as i wrote i do not believe in Ortiz ducking Ustinov twice. There were some reasons. Maybe there were other additional reasons why he didn't fight him but i think the ones i mentioned above are strong enough to explain it a bit.

 

seriously though, they got ****in KFC in the UK?

 

KFC is EVERYWHERE

 

KFC is a plague ffs

 

I was more questioning the declaration of a Haymon move as stupid. He got a world title shot right after a warm up fight. He wasn't promised a title shot by Hearn. I don't see that as a dumb move at all, he nearly got world honors that way

 

Ok you can keep picking me up on the fact I wasn't concentrating and said "blasted" because I was thinking about Wilder/Scott and that's fine, if you really want to go that way we can.

Anyway let's state some facts.. I went and had a look


Ortiz ratings/rankings

WBC. No 4
WBA. Not Ranked
WBO. Not Ranked
IBF. Not Ranked.

Ring Mag. No 5

I can't find Ortiz in any TOP 3 ratings or rankings anywhere.. so 99% of the forum might disagree with me but I'm in very good company.

Show me we're Ortiz is genuinely Ranked by anybody legitimate in THE TOP 3 or go away and don't come back.

You can't, so GAME OVER, now go away you foul mouthed little fool, you haven't go a clue.

Ortiz isn't a TOP 3 Heavyweight, you are wrong, so what excuses now? Who you gonna blame now? Promoters? Short Notice? People Ducking him?

I suppose all of those ratings/rankings are BS and you know better.

Of course you do, bless you

 

TOP 3 in terms of skills, power, greatness, you moron.

Not in terms of corrupt rankings.

Go and touch your hotdog while reading those WBC/WBA/.../ rankings and ask yourself WHY FRES OQUENDO IS ranked as the #2 at the WBA rankings behind title holders Charr and Joshua and #1 Povetkin...

LMAO

You are simply a internet hero. Do you even watch boxing?

 

Ah OK.

Still a dumb move though he got 500K for Wilder, 500K is nothing. He could fight Pulev in Bulgaria and get almost that. Had he simply kept fighting for Hearn he would have gotten his shot, at least if he hadn't failed a doping test that is. If he had done that he'd be fighting Joshua now not Povetkin. It's not like they could of avoided the mandatory.

And the signs were there that a fight would happen eventually. Hearn built him up by fighting on a Joshua under card. Sound familiar, it's what Hearn did with Povetkin by having him fight Price on the Parker under card and who is Joshua fighting next, yep Povetkin.

Pulev was going to get $5 mill for the Joshua fight as a mandatory, I'd assume Ortiz would of gotten similar. From a business perspective it was a dumb move. What's he doing now fighting guys like Cojanu.

Look at other Matchroom heavies. Even guys like Allen are getting shots and solid paydays even after losing. Look at recent Joshua victims in Parker, Whyte, Takam all got nice paydays in good match ups instead of fighting nobodies. Chisora too despite the loss to Kabayel got the Takam fight with a decent payday and is now being lined up for another big fight.

Who is Ortiz gonna fight? Where are his million pound plus paydays that Whyte and Parker just got. How much do you think he made vs Cojanu? 100K, 200K perhaps. Ortiz isn't the smartest guys when it comes to his career, sued by his first promoter, paid $1 mill to get out of the Goldenboy deal and then got paid peanuts for a title shot. As I said dumb move.

 

Hopefully it won't be another campbells soup can like this last one,geez!

 

So according to you, it's now TOP 3 based on Skills, Power and F****** GREATNESS

WAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA whaaaaaat? Greatness? How do you judge greatness?

By Beating Dave Allen, Malik Scott and old man Thompson? Is that right?

You are beginning to sound brain damaged.

So according to you it isn't resume, level of opposition or any of that, its skills, power and GREATNESS.

GREATNESS IS NOW A MEASURE?

Anyway how do you measure GREATNESS? Explain that one to me, I am actually laughing out loud at you now, incredible

Also how do you measure power? Surely you'd have to use level of opposition and that's resume..

But But But But you said resumes don't matter it's all about the eye test so please explain that to me?


I can't find Ortiz in any sort of TOP 3, can you?

 

No, but Fres Oquendo is obviously a Top 3 HW because he is ranked within Top 3 at one of your rankings you can shake your hotdog for.

You are such a moron. SIMPLY WOW.