Who does Wlad beat against these old time Heavyweights?

lotta votes for louis. wlad doesn't beat louis. all louis has to do is get past the jab (which he certicanly can) and kayo wladdy with a highlight reel combination at close range or just time an overhand right when wlad scurries backwards in a straight line like he always does.

 

Possibly Marciano thats about it.

 

:think

He's fast and hard-hitting enough to be a scary fight for Wlad specifically. Byrd was arguably better than Williams, but he posed Wlad no threat because of his style.

 

I see pressuring Ali or Holmes with the jab--a la Norton--as his best option. Waiting for them to lead off and countering would be, I think, difficult because both were effective at moving and jabbing at the same time. It would be hard for him to get set to punch unless he's bringing forward momentum against them.

But does he show the same mobility against other, better movers?

True...Holmes was no slouch himself strength-wise. I wonder if he could keep Wlad from clamping him? :think

A very good observation.

 

because he is a tool atsch

 

I happen to like both Klitschko bros. I don't think swearing at me is really necessary, or suggesting I think Wlad is a bum because I don't think he'd beat The consensus #1 or #2 heavyweight of all time..

I don't think he's gonna get "jab, hooks, and straight rights" to the head for 12 rounds is all. I think his rhythm will present problems for Wlad in terms of landing clean punches, and Ali is indeed better at tying up and frustrating opponents on the inside, again, just my opinion. And since when is Klit any good on the inside or at clinching?

 

People always forget that their heroes of the past were Byrd sized "heavies" fighting other Byrd sized heavies minus the speed, technique, ring intelligence and plan of Byrd. Sonny Liston would be utterly dwarfed by Wlad in size, reach, step length, and mobility, making it almost impossible to set up anything with his jab. Simply because he cannot throw his jab from the place but has to jump into it.

I voted for Ali beats him (on ring intelligence, smartness, timing, whatever), prime Tyson beats him (speed and power alone), Lewis beats him (the original Wlad with more power and better smartness, good improvising, better in everything but speed), and Holmes is a 50:50. Many fighters not in that list could or would probably beat him, prime Foreman, etc. But this is a specific list, with lots of undersized underpowered old glory fighters who wouldn't make up for the size deficiency with Tyson type power.

The rest of the undersized simply doesn't get past the jab and the clinch, and WILL get smashed from the 1-2s. Who had such a strong left hook and 1-2 in the 1930s, or 1950s ? Size blabla Carnera bla. Wlad is a powerhouse with fast punches, good gameplan, safety first attitude who first worries about nullifying his opponents offense, tieing them up, smothering them, getting them off their game with his constant jabbing, and THEN later sets up the 1-2s to batter opponents. Someone who doesn't have Tysons crouching style with a heck of one punch KO power, Lewis ring intelligence, size and overall greater ability, or Alis "special something", has no chance other than the dreaded lucky punch. Not in a 12 round fight with todays safety Wlad who never goes all in anymore.

I don't doubt that a Louis would beat a lot of todays contenders. However, he does not beat Wlad, and he does not beat a prime Vitali. He doesn't beat a prime Lewis, he doesn't beat a prime Tyson, not a prime Holyfield, he doesn't beat Ali, he doesn't even beat a Corrie Sanders. Not a prime Brewster who had underrated finishing skills if that one is healthy. He was a good 1930s fighter ahead of his time, but he was a 200lb 6'2" cruiser without demon speed or terrific skills. He wasn't Roy Jones. A national hero, but not someone who would trouble the superstars of the 70s to today.

 

As I always post when Wlad is long done with his career he will get much more respect than he does at the moment on ESB.

The fact is a lot of these guys have never dealt with anyone nears wlads size and strength and most importantly his athleticism. Wlad has recently come on as a great heavyweight where his confidence and technique have been much improved over the pasts questionable defense.

There are a few guys here that would beat Wlad on this list however. Lennox Lewis, Mike Tyson and Marciano. Lennox has the size, strength and punch to deal with a large Wlad, but this figth isnt 100%, if rahman can KO lewis wlad can surely do it as well. Tyson would be too much as would marciano inside.

A prime Ali who dances and moves would have a lot of trouble with wlad and IMO lose a decision. Ali is no tyson and there are a lot of questionable fights on his record. Ali was often boring and conservative. Wlad would win all those rounds ali took off. To the guy who posted that Wlad had a lesser chin than norton, well norton didnt have near the athleticism as wlad.

Holmes may give him trouble due to his hand speed, but Holmes was a not a mover and usually only snapped the jab. This fight would come down to who had range and could Larry take wlads right the whole fight.

 

Perfect.

 

Exactly what I was thinking.