Who ducked Deontay Wilder?

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  1. KINGWILDER

    KINGWILDER Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Wlad dropped Wilder in sparring and beat him up, Finkel kept him well clear for good reason. The videos we have of Haye sparring Wilder clearly indicate the opposite with Haye landing at will on Deontay. Your delusions are more entertaining than embarrassing tbh, the only guys who actively avoided Wilder were AJ and now Ruiz (who is a known duck). The rest, you are reaching.
     
  2. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    To take one example, how is Bellew's "I ain't fighting Deontay Wilder" not ducking? I don't blame Bellew for that and at least he was honest. But he was implicitly saying: "I will never fight him, I will look for another option, such as Usyk". Bellew wasn't the only one who did the math and thought that Wilder didn't pass risk-reward.
     
  3. BCS8

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    I still want to see Wilder vs AJ though.
     
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  4. TheWizard

    TheWizard I Got Milk Baby Full Member

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    I don't know how those sessions went but it's weird to me that people always say that Haye "smashed" Wilder based on a vid of him landing like 2 good punches lol. Here is Wilder rocking Haye in the same vid

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  5. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    People wanted to believe it more than anything. Haye (a natural narcissist) saying "Wilder buzzed me far worse than I buzzed him" is confirmation that the sparring didn't go well for Haye, as Towers said it didn't. I think that had something to do with Haye's Fury pullout too. Dave Coldwell and Adam Booth's comments about Wilder and the sparring also don't suggest that Wilder got the worst of it.
     
  6. KINGWILDER

    KINGWILDER Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Did I say Haye ‘smashed’ Wilder - no. I was more refitting the claims Wilder did. Truth is at their bests Haye vs Wilder would have been a pick ‘em fight.
     
  7. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Parker and Wilder actually did try to make a unification fight back in 2017, Wilder was even willing to fight Parker in Australia according to Parker's promoter. Both sides talked about it and both seemed genuine but talks collapsed when it became apparent to both sides that there simply wasn't enough money on the table for either of them to make it worth their while. So Parker then focused on Joshua as Joshua had grown into a big draw and financially it was clearly the best direction to take for Parker and everyone else in the division looking to make bank.
     
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  8. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    How can you call someone son when there is evidence of your on the Internet asking people how to get their parents off their backs about getting a job? :risas3:
     
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  9. Jennifer Love Hewitt

    Jennifer Love Hewitt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wilder does not exactly have a career of taking on all comers. Claiming anyone ducked him is tricky, becasue had they wanted to fight, he probably would duck them. Fair to say, any ducking was mutual.

    Andy Ruiz is the only one who clearly ducked.
     
  10. Kiwi Casual

    Kiwi Casual Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I didn't know that. Would of been an even more exciting fight back then.
     
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  11. Joy_Rones

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  12. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You can lie if you like son but I'm not interested.
     
  13. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wilder-Stiverne 1 was close to even odds, 30-0 Ortiz was a dangerous opponent and Wilder fought Fury x3. He's never shown any lack of courage in the ring and seems to have a delusional, almost unshakable self-belief. He's also possibly the biggest punching HW ever, was thought of highly by many experts, had home and A-side advantage and didn't have such big money behind him as Joshua, so there were clear reasons to avoid him.

    Hughie was offered two title shots, turned down both. He said that Wilder wanted to fight him (which could have built a Wilder-Fury fight down the road) but Hughie went in the direction of Parker instead, who was widely recognised as a weaker and far less dangerous belt holder.

    Bellew said "I ain't fighting Deontay Wilder" but he was willing to fight Usyk. As if Wilder wouldn't fight a blown-up LHW who got beaten in one-sided fashion by Stevenson.

    Martin, Wlad and Parker made fights with Joshua probably because there was more money on the table first and foremost, also possibly because Wilder was seen as more dangerous/less vulnerable. None of them to my knowledge accused Wilder of ducking them.

    Hearn and Joshua accused Wilder of ducking them but they've also said things like "Wilder is very high risk, reward may not be worth it yet, I need more time" etc. They are not to be trusted and are highly opportunistic in their own right.

    The Whyte situation was more Matchroom smoke and mirrors:

    https://www.boxingforum24.com/threa...d-the-wilder-whyte-wbc-saga-explained.711576/

    Usyk's first meaningful heavyweight fight was after Fury-Wilder 2 and he targeted Joshua as soon as he moved up from cruiser.

    Povetkin failed drug tests for Wilder and Stiverne. Maybe there was skulduggery involved there, maybe not.

    Wilder was brought along slowly and there were fighters his team kept him away from at points but the idea that no one of significance was avoiding him (which is the most common position held by his detractors/haters) is an absurd thesis given the evidence.
     
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  14. mrbigshot

    mrbigshot Active Member Full Member

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    And usyk in 2023 .

    - usyk was delaying an agreement with dubois
    - usyk immediately agreed with dubois after wba cleared wilder as next mandatory so usyk would not be stripped of any belts when fighting wilder
    -wilder was available and willing to fight usyk
    - even when usyk would gain MUCH more money and popularity with a wilder fight he instead had chosen dubois , even for the cost of a very low payment ,very low popularity and very weak undercard.

    I think that was a ducking as clear and evident as rarely .
     
  15. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    There was some talk about Dubois potentially being paid to step aside and Usyk-Wilder would have been much bigger.