Who else besides Johnson beats Jeffries in 1910?

Jeffries was an old 35 .. he drank, he smoked, he put on a lot of weight. Additionally as important was he did not train properly. He had no staged comeback fights. For sparring partners he had men older and more weathered than himself for the most part. As important was he never really seemed to want it but was convinced. It was about responsibility and money .. I also believe he believed for a while this fight was fixed and when tables turned he was a wreck ..

Johnson was one of the guys like Floyd that force meant to fight at his pace so it's tough to say what percent of Jeffries showed up at Reno but I don't think much .. I'm of the school that a prime 1905 Jeffries gives Johnson everything he could handle and possibly then some .. any fighter that could go over three or four rounds with him would end up beating him as his stamina and legs were not there ..

 

I think it was more the case they he could never have gotten in his prime condition again.

 

interesting!

 

The comparison for me is Marciano's aborted comeback when he realized he wasn't going to be at his best again, Jeff must have known this also but decided what he had would be enough,,,,obviously it wasn't.

 

Yes he was fat. I gave you the sources. He trimmed down to 227, but in 1909 was 70+ pound overweight.

If you use the press scoring, and understand that many round were close ( I offered to score the video you claim to have with you ) a draw after 10 rounds given the times is not out of the question.

Once again, after round four Jeffries was slightly in the lead, and won round 9. Isn't that half of ten rounds?

DOLT.

 

On October the 22 nd 1909 Jeffries scaled a verified 228lbs,on his return from Carlsbad , that is 9 months before their fight. And only one pound more than he weighed in the fight!
I'm not going to indulge you in this silly biased game you wish to play.
We have all the press, and ringside observers of the calibre of ;
Sullivan
Fitzsimmons
Choynski
Sharkey
Muldoon

Giving their opinions .
We also have Jack Jeffries and Jim Corbett wanting to stop the fight in the 6th rd.
We have the referee Tex Rickard stating Johnson could hit him when and where he wished whereas Jeffries could not hit him.

You can make as much hate propaganda and vitriolic threads on Jack Johnson as you wish, but can we now get back to the subject of this one?
I really don't know why you haven't been banned for hi- jacking so many threads just to get your miserable 2cents of hate into every one of them.
McAfee should have a Mendoza anti -virus we could pay for!
For God's sake get yourself a life!

 

Beating a 35 year old Jeffries who had not fought in six years does nothing to help Johnson's legacy. Johnson could have enhanced his legacy by fighting the best while champion and not losing to Marvin Hart while in his prime.

Johnson was only 37 when he lost to Willard if Johnson beating Jeffries somehow proves his superiority than no doubt you will concede Willard's win over Johnson proves he was the better man.

 

I read that quickly and thought you said Bret Hart at the end.

It still would've worked.

 

You can’t come back at age 35 after not having a fight in 6 years and not fighting any tuneups and take on a prime athlete that has been active.
The result was never in question the bigger shock is that so many people believed he would win.

 

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Anybody mention legacy here?
Jeffries could have enhanced his legacy by defending against Fitzsimmons in1900 after Fitz had kod both Sharkey and Ruhlin in the space of two weeks.Instead Jeffries defended against Ruhlin whom Fitz had half killed.
He could have further enhanced it by defending against Sam McVey for the $ 20,000 he was guaranteed for the defence.
Defending against Denver Ed Martin and Jack Johnson,would have enhanced his legacy.
Corbett could have enhanced his very shallow legacy by defending against Peter Jackson
Ditto Dempsey against Wills.
Ans so on and so forth.
Just WTF has that to do with the topic of the thread?

Beating Jeffries helped Johnson's bank balance.
ps I don't think Johnson was prime for Hart ,and ,though he did not get the decision,many felt he should have.
As to Johnson fighting the best he signed to defend against Jeannette twice in N Y, the NYAC vetoed both fights.
He signed to fight both McVey and Langford in Australia in a 2 fight deal for $55,000+ 4 round trip tickets and a % of the movie rights.The offer was withdrawn when Johnson jumped bail and fled the country.
Johnson defended his title against the contenders the public wanted to see him against. WHITE men! And he got paid handsomely for doing so, eg $33,000 for humiliating Flynn whom he had already ko'd!

Always best to do your research before sitting in judgement.

 

How much did Langford weigh at the time? I think Jeffries is every chance of beating him. I also think he beats Ketchell, more than likely. I dont think i would back Tommy Burns to beat him either. If i had to pick someone, McVey might be the best chance, but it is not guaranteed.

 

In1910, I'd pick McVey too.

 

Mcvey,

Once again you decline to go over the film. I have offered to go over the films with you on Johnson fights with Moran, and Willard. You decline, likely knowing the boxing films do not lie, and Johnson was NOT as good as some of the reports you like to read suggest he was. And now this fight. It seems like you have zero interest commenting on the rounds you have. The fight is slow, ( perhaps due the heat ) and close in the early round as I stated.

You live in your cozy fantasy world, regurgitating books and act like that solves your problems. Other times you fail to back up bogus quotes with links to prove what was said.

I have taught you many things about this fight.

1 ) Initially, you said Jeffries did not win a round. WRONG!

2 ) Initially, you said Billy Delaney, Jeffries old trainer wasn't there for Johnson. WRONG again, Delaney was in his corner barking out orders and hired by Johnson!

3 ) You thought Johnson carried Jeffries and could have ended it sooner, only to be shown by Johnson's own words he calculated things and waited for the right moment.

Unlike Johnson, Jeffries fought the best out there as Champion; three #1 ranked contenders during Champion. You must have missed that thread. Johnson, by contrast, avoided his top 4 contenders DURING his title reign, suffered draws, knockdowns, and was hurt by the likes of Ross.

Johnson's defining legacy is beating Jeffries. But in reality, it's no better than Holmes beating Ali. Ali would not rate among Holmes best five wins.

 

I'm interested in the thread ,not your hate mail take your venom somewhere else its a tired and obnoxious act and we are heartily sick of it.

 

More like we are tired of your inability to learn. So sorry if facts get in the way of your idol.

Take note readers he's not saying what I typed is untrue. As far as being obnoxious, that sir your an area where are way ahead of me.

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