Who Else Could Get A Ko Victory Over Foreman In Zaire??

facts logic like always

 

I agree that there are guys that could hurt Louis and possibly beat Joe. I focusing on the styles of each guy. You mentioned Louis getting knocked down at times. He did go down, its also a bit of a misnomer because Louis fought at the championship level way longer than most other even champions. 25 successful defenses. Foreman had a cup of coffee at the championship level in comparison. Conn hurt Louis, Max Baer couldn't. Jimmy Young knocked down Foreman while Joe Frazier didn't.
I have no doubt Louis could stop Foreman in his tracks with any punch in his arsenal. Mainly Foreman's style of of defense is not good with someone like Louis. Obviously I can't count Foreman out because he had wrecking balls in his gloves. IMO the Brown Bomber would be wrong for George as terrorizing as he was.

 

I don't think Bowe had the fire and intensity to deal with that storm. Q

 

If Marciano can make it out of the early rounds, I think he could do it.

 

It depends on how you evaluate Foreman. Most people (who don't think) just assume he'd starch everyone put in front of him. That was not the opinion of the day. Even Ali at the time was not considered the GOAT. Really, that's all retrospective adulation. Much of Foreman's reputation was salvaged by his return career and personal transformation. He lost to Ali largely because he had been untested. It's not his fault everyone else was undersized and had limited skills, but it did affect his performance against a much more skilled and versatile fighter in a foreign environment. The fact that he never really recovered from the loss also speaks poorly of him as a fighter.

Since Foreman's arrival, fighters have gotten both bigger AND better. So it's hard to accurately judge how he'd do. Ali had already been beaten by little Joe Frazier several years earlier, so it's hard to imagine Ali as some sort of invincible superman.

So anyone big enough to apply his size, and box behind a jab should do the trick. Simply being bigger and skilled won't do the trick though because if you don't have a solid chin and the steely resolve to stand down a killer, Foreman will eat you alive.

Easily:
Wlad
Vitali
Wilder
Fury
Golota
Sanders

A stuggle:
Tyson (I actually see Tyson as a question mark)
Joshua
Bowe
Tua
Povetkin


Toss-up:
Holmes
Lewis (he either rapes Foreman, or Foreman does one better than Mercer and ends it)
Young (more like Foreman blowing his wad)
Quarry
Page
Witherspoon
Ibeabuchi

 

I know the sample size is small for Ike, but i get the feeling ibeabuchi may of been crazy enougn and tough enough to outlast Foreman here. I'd give him an outside shot and 100% a fight I'd watch

 

His jab, assuming he stuck to it, might have given Foreman absolute fits. In a battle of the jabs, Ibeabuchi COULD win. Foreman's jab is grossly underrated, but mostly because he rarely needed it. Against a SMART Ike, he'll need it.

Watch the Tua fight again, Ike chose NOT to jab and made it exciting. But he could have boxed a shut out. That being said, I highly doubt he could use that jab against experienced Boxers. Throwing a nice jab and utilizing the jab are different things.

Juiced out Ike had the size and stamina to out-last Foreman assuming he doesn't try to go to war with him early. In that event, Foreman batters him.

 

Anyway you look at it, would of been a must see fight!

 

Holyfield, simply tires Foreman out by outboxing him and knocks him out late.
Holyfield was never outmuscled (specially Evan Fields with his pharmacy) by anybody, and could change gameplans in the middle of a fight.

Lewis, more physical strength and much more technical ability. You can't judge Lewis by his two knockout losses and conclude he has a china chin, man took some brain numbing shots from Briggs and Klitschko still kept standing.

Bowe, man is simply the most brutal infighter in heavyweight history. He has got speed, fundamentals and extremely powerful punches that can seriously hurt any version of Foreman.

Holmes, iron chin, powerful jab with excellent timing, circling footwork, tall, long reach; basically the type of fighter built to defeat Foreman.

 

Why did he chose to box the old Foreman? What happened to him against Bowe? I love his rematch with Lewis, but he still came up short - kinda how the Golovkin-Alvarez rematch SHOULD have been scored.

 

He decided to box cuz Foreman was basically a tank by that time and had little to no mobility. Bowe was bigger, stronger, taller, equally skilled (more skill than both versions of Foreman) and was heavier than Holyfield, plus he could beat Foreman as well.

 

he was underrated he was good and hit hard with tech win for ike

 

legend etm I argee louis great timing and quick hands and uncanny ability to have a talent of once he had a person hurt they stayed that way until they fell

but I have said mutiple time louis era was trash on a skill level and movement level
how can you see him beating George when George cut off the ring better not ever seen of in louis era
George moves better then half of those dudes

George would be pushing louis which Louis wasnt used to and his defense wasnt great how could he win he would lose

most people know here im not a fan of slow sloopy George but I am realistic it is not realistic to pick Louis from the flaws and outdated movement i keep having to repeat

many people know George usually had trouble with people who countered good and moved feet good Louis didnt have that well not while moving he was a tiptoer

 

Ike Ibeabuchi?

 

Hmmm...nah. Bowe is unproven against punchers and made many of the same mistakes Foreman did (lack of head movement, lack of defense in general).

Foreman at least fought the best guys of his era like Frazier, Norton, etc. Bowe seemed to avoid any elite opponents outside of Hoylfield. Based on accomplishments and overall ability I'd favor Foreman.

He'd be targeting Bowe's big belly from the start, and I can't imagine the damage he'd do with those murderous uppercuts on a fairly stationary guy who's chin is in the air.