Who else could have finished Willard like Dempsey ?

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  1. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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  2. MadcapMaxie

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    See it's because people have a very warped sense of things, Tommy Morrison actually achieved a fair bit and beat alot of tough opponents, I favour him over most if not all the opponents Dempsey beat. He was just as fast if not faster, threw tighter punches in combinations, good head movement, good finisher and was perhaps the hardest left hooker of all time. He got blasted by Bentt but **** Dempsey got blasted by Flynn yet it would be blasphemous to make such a comparison because Dempsey is bla bla bla.
     
  3. Theron

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    Joe Louis if he went at him full force but i see him boxing him
    I don't think Foreman has enough speed to do it and the fight will last a little longer, maybe 3 rounds with some 1 or 2 knockdowns in the second and the final knockdown in the 3rd
     
  4. Boxed Ears

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  5. LittleRed

    LittleRed Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think if we can name any division in which guys demolished world class fighters quickly it would be heavyweight, no?
     
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  7. janitor

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    Lets assume that Dempsey did get blasted by Flynn.

    There is quite a big difference between loosing to Flynn as a regional level fighter, and loosing your title to Michael Bentt.

    If you are going to dreamily wax about Morrisons under rated acomplishments, then the leasdt you can do is give some credit to Willard, who achieved two orders of magnitude more by any objective measure.

    I doubt that you would bet a lot of money on Morrison beating most world class fighters in the real universe, let alone doing it inside three rounds.
     
  8. janitor

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    Indeed.

    It is still a relativley rare event for a world class fighter to be demolished inside three rounds, and when they are they usualy lack durability.

    The fighters that you would actualy predict to acomplish this feet are few and far between.
     
  9. Sawyers

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    Dempsey belted willard from all angle including behind and punching down over his ribs and back and head. Willard lasts forf three rounds because the young jack dempsey has no puff. Willard ends up retiring after 3 rounds. Two of the rounds were uneventful. This says something. Willard was tough or dempsey was not such a hard puncher as people think. Both are over rated fighters. Louis, Tyson, Liston, Frazier, Forman dedstroy both with no trouble.
     
  10. LittleRed

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    Well that's the rub, isn't it. If you asked who I thought would, that's a much shorter list. Could includes quite a few guys.

    Take Joe Louis, for example. Could Louis get Willard out of there in 3 or less? Honestly I think if he was fired up he could get Jess out of there in one round. But why would he be hyped up? Unless you had given him a fit the first time around or came out guns blazing, Louis didn't go for the quick finish. I think Louis would take his time chopping Willard down, and that could take 6 rounds or it could take 13. I think it's more likely to take 13 than 3, but if he had to he absolutely could.
     
  11. janitor

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    I would agree with this assesment and Louis is prety much the calibre of finisher it would take, for me to call a world class fighter to get blasted in three.

    If Joe Louis was fighting Michael Moorer tomorrow, I might be enboldened to call a knockout inside the first three.

    If he was fighting Ray Mercer, then I would not predict anything more specific than a win.
     
  12. McGrain

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    Yeah, but if you had seen another lethal puncher take him out in three in weird circumstances and you knew those weird circumstances might be replicated, you might pick Louis to beat him in three.

    If Langford KO3 Willard, then Dempsey KO3 Willard becomes a real possibility.

    Hence, Dempsey KO3 Willard makes Louis KO3 Willard a real possibility.
     
  13. MadcapMaxie

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    There's nothing to assume...he got KO'd. And although they were defeated in different parts of their respective careers most would simply laugh off Morrison with any major H2H due to the Bentt loss, yet few would extend this to Dempsey.

    I do give some credit to Willard but little to that version, and although on paper he might appear to have achieved more fact is he couldn't have beaten the best opponents Morrison beat and wouldn't have been as good if placed in the same era. He was a champ in one of the weakest eras of Heavyweight boxing ever, to think he'd do good during a time when Holyfield, Moorer, Foreman, Williams, Mercer, Bowe, Lewis, Ruddock, Tyson etc. were all around is funny to say the least.

    Also the original question was who else could have finished Willard like Dempsey, not who else could've KO'd Willard within 3 rounds...either way Morrison could do it, probably quicker than Dempsey too.
     
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  15. Ricky42791

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    The great thing about that fight isn't KOing the heavyweight champion in three rounds. Its the manor in which Dempsey did it. The mercilessness and ruthlessness of dempsey that day was terrifying. From such a size disadvantage its amazing he beat willard the way he did. I dont doubt that other fighters could KO willard but in the fashion dempsey did it? i'd only Tyson had that kind of venom.