Who else could James Buster Douglas beat?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Fergy, Sep 22, 2025 at 11:19 AM.


  1. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

    29,580
    36,146
    Jan 8, 2017
    If the other guy was having a bad night??

    Joe Frazier?
    Lennox Lewis?
    George Foreman?
    Any other very good fighters?
     
  2. Eddie Ezzard

    Eddie Ezzard Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,492
    5,250
    Jan 19, 2016
    On the form he showed that night in Tokyo? Just about anyone. Honestly, imo he was nearly flawless that night. The only mistake he made - when he got floored - gave him the opportunity to prove doubters wrong and to show he could actually gut it out through a crisis, if only once in his career.

    Of the three you name, Frazier would give him most problems. The movement wouldn't bother Joe as much. And Buster would have to withstand a lot of punishment. We don't know if even the Tokyo version would have withstood round after round of pressure.

    He'd make Lennox look bad. If Ray Mercer could outjab him when he was 35 and a bit out of shape, prime Buster would. If 37 year old Evander's movement could trouble Lewis, Buster would totally befuddle him.

    As long as he holds his nerve, he could outbox and bust up young (or old) Foreman with the jab, limiting George's effectiveness by movement and not being there for the uppercut. George won't get past the jab to push and grapple.

    Most other heavies would struggle with Tokyo Buster. But he is still well below them in the H2H rankings because in all likelihood, that version doesn't show up. But if he does, nobody has an easy night and that includes Dempsey, Louis, Mariano, Liston, Holmes, Ali, Klitschkos. He was that good.
     
  3. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

    4,727
    4,158
    Jan 6, 2024
    Buster is a tough matchup for most champions.

    He beats Usyk 9-3.
     
    Fergy likes this.
  4. SouthpawsRule

    SouthpawsRule Active Member Full Member

    837
    1,009
    Jul 2, 2025
    Frazier, I think Tyson being a midget greatly helped Douglas and his excellent but defensively irresponsible uppercuts. Foreman, Lewis, Klitschko, those guys are flatlining him.
     
    Fergy likes this.
  5. Jakub79

    Jakub79 Active Member Full Member

    1,000
    1,113
    Mar 3, 2024
  6. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

    29,580
    36,146
    Jan 8, 2017
    :loel:
     
  7. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

    29,580
    36,146
    Jan 8, 2017
    He had all the attributes really, apart from that dedication.
    But if we're talking Great fighter s having a bad night (and Buster on top form), then he'd have a great chance of replicating Tokyo.
    See him busting up Marciano s face for sure :pwhoops
     
    mcvey likes this.
  8. CroBox29

    CroBox29 Boxing Addict Full Member

    5,042
    5,695
    Nov 24, 2019
    Prime Foreman would crush Tokyo Douglas.
     
    Overhand94 and MarkusFlorez99 like this.
  9. bboyrei

    bboyrei Member Full Member

    481
    800
    Aug 23, 2021
    Holyfield
    Bowe
    At least post Manila Ali
     
  10. nyterpfan

    nyterpfan Active Member Full Member

    505
    962
    Oct 7, 2021
    OUTSTANDING--fantastic summary! 100% agree--the Tokyo version of Buster Douglas was absolutely "locked in"--and I think he'd be a handful for any HW that ever laced up the gloves! (Agree also that Frazier--particularly FOTC Frazier would give him the hardest fight with his relentless pressure. But I still think "Tokyo Buster" would put up a hell of a scrap and Joe would take his lumps!!)
     
    mcvey and newurban99 like this.
  11. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    11,325
    4,183
    Aug 2, 2013
    People forget an uninterested Buster was lighting up a peak unbeaten Tucker at times, unlike the Cubans in the ams. He had no confidence going into that one apparently so trained half heartedly
     
  12. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

    71,581
    27,236
    Feb 15, 2006
    Tyson let Douglas beat him.

    That is Tyson's problem, don't make it anybody else's.

    Same applies to any other great when they have an off night against a lesser opponent.

    By the same token we shouldn't pick Billy Conn to beat all X Y and Z because he gave Joe Lois a tough fight, or Ken Norton because he handed Ali an L.
     
  13. nyterpfan

    nyterpfan Active Member Full Member

    505
    962
    Oct 7, 2021
    I don't know about that. Conn and Norton definitely took advantage of their opponents not being at their best and their performances were sort of "one offs." But Buster had the size and talent to be a real force. 6"4, 83" reach, punishing jab and power in both hands, and deceptive speed. He exhibited all of his ability when he defeated Tyson. If he had the same kind of dedication and focus for all of his fights he could have been a HW title holder for a lot longer than 8 months. I agree with Eddie Ezzard-a properly trained, conditioned, and motivated Buster would have been a tough night for anybody!
     
    Last edited: Sep 22, 2025 at 3:24 PM
  14. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

    26,638
    17,706
    Apr 3, 2012
  15. newurban99

    newurban99 Active Member Full Member

    1,237
    1,945
    Apr 24, 2010
    I agree 100 percent. Buster Douglas was one of the most talented heavyweights in boxing history. He had one of the best jabs and he could throw any kind of punch with authority, plus he showed great ring generalship that historic night in Tokyo.
     
    Roughhouse and nyterpfan like this.