Who else would beat Wilder right now?

When you say "anyone" you actually mean trash cans and old men.. Let's not be dishonest here.. He's getting outboxed by below average boxers before his ridiculous power bails him out

 

This is because Fury was underdog laughted up in forums and YT comments before 1 st fight vs Wilder and a lot of ppl had posted that he will with ease beat up and KO Fury in rematch and school Fury, beat out of Fury all health etc.

This didn't had happened.

With Wilder for 1 st fight had happened the same as with A.J vs Ruiz 1 st fight: he had lost vs UNDERDOG.
Cards, kids, hometown cards are nothing there and desicions too.
2 nd fight : again upset.

Okey, Ruiz was more underdog before 1 st fight vs A.J
Btw, I will not by all these excuses and explanations, Ruiz simply was better this day, nothing else there.

I do not think so.

He get half debilitated by Ruiz and sorry, I do not believe in 1 one excuse story that A.J had been hurt in sparring etc.
Why the hell if this is western boxer, excuses are valid and if EE boxer then no? Damn regular stuff.


Simple reality: Ruiz almost had switched him off completely and he while being fresh before fight had been almost debilitated by Ruiz.
This is Boxing. Boxing is to hurt a guy and he get hurt and get damaged there for sure.

No offense here: I think A.J most likely as a person is good guy and not likely he was capable to fight vs anyone after stuff he get from Ruiz.

I don't think he had quit.
I think he was not able to continue to fight at least normally after this.
This is not shame, this is normal life and not any kind of dishonor.
Guy can't deliver anymore and they just remove lad from fight. It is normal and no shame there.

Btw A.J even liked me cos he did not had pulled hysteric and nonsense after this. This is boxe.
He improved, prepared for rematch and had good game plan for rematch.
Nothing wrong with A.J.

 

I am saving this one. (LOL)

This would be like someone posting, in the 1970s, all these guys would've beaten George Foreman:

* Jimmy Ellis
* Leon Spinks
* Duane Bobick
* Randy Neumann
* Henry Clark
* Larry Middleton
* Oscar Bonavena
* Stan Ward
* Johnny Boudreaux
* Mike Koranicki
* Alfredo Evangelista
* Lorenzo Zanon
* Leroy Jones
* Jose Luis Garcia
* Howard Smith
* Jack Bodell
* Bob Foster
* John Conteh

There's trolling, and then there's whatever that list is. (LOL)

Thank you for this. I will keep it always.

 

Tbf though, he hasn't exactly proven himself against anyone that good though besides Ortiz, who's record is questionable in itself.

 

You just compared Wilder to one the greatest HWs ever in Foreman....now that's trolling.

 

Aside from the obvious Fury, and Joshua (who I'm honestly not so certain of), Usyk and Hunter IMO. Then, I know everyone is still on the hate train for him but I think Jarrell Miller would've beaten Wilder. I think if his chin is what I think it is, Joyce (who I'm not a fan of) could possibly as well. That's it.

As horrendous as Wilder is, I just don't think a lot of guys stylistically that are out are gonna beat him. Now if you ask how many fighters are more polished, I'd say damn near everyone in the top 10.

 

All he needs in the ring is someone with decent power and precision level to land on him good counter while he attempts to land his money punch. Nothing more and sorry, even some from top 50 ammies does have chance to land good counter on this lad.

Wilder is absolutely nothing special if we take away his 1 hand and durability& athleticism level.
Like A.J too is nothing more much special than Wilder, unless he does have 2 hands to debilitate and worse gas tank than Wilder thus far.
Let's make lottery.

 

I actually agree with you in part. Wilder overall is a one trick pony. But it's a very good trick.

It's good enough that most guys just aren't gonna be able to do what Fury did to him, Fury is simply the class of the division. I think Miller and Joyce could walk through his stuff and eventually make him fall apart (ala Fury). I think Usyk and Hunter could avoid getting touched up and they're versatile enough to deliver their shots. I think it's a hard task for everyone else. Wilder, despite the chin talk, appears to be fairly durable. Old man Ortiz beat him around the ring, Duahapas gave him some solid pushback. Both of them folded before he did. I really want us to be rid of Wilder (I'm no fan), but objectively it's gonna be hard to get rid of him.

 

For top 1 hand might not be enough.
A lot of these US boxers from top in past, even not champs had enough good 2 hands.
Even if start with boxers from 50 ies.
He for sure is even not Norton, Foreman or Patterson or Holmes or Vitali, sorry, even not Wlad or damn long row with other boxers.

Even if we take Tyson and Holmes and xx other boxers.
They might had start to debilitate a guy with any from their 2 hands and does not matters here was he down after 1 punch or no. Work is done further and there.
Wilder looks that in pros relied only on 1 hand and some small arsenal with punches with this hand.
This exactly is wrong, if he had used both hands a lot, then he had been more effective.
I do not see physical limitations for him to have power for both hands, just maybe way of thinking about this.

Pulev too was there as some exmaple in his prime: he had A++++++++ level jab, nothing much else and he was very athletic and not smaller than Wlad in weight. Didn't helped, Wlad then was not enough old, was only 38.

We don't know.

I think his chin is even good and yeah, he is also very durable.
The biggest problem that Ortiz was old and slow and only 1 enough known in europe boxer he did had in the pro ring was Fury.

 

Might seem like fence sitting, but it's really hard to tell - mostly because Wilders poor resume casts a significant shadow over where his true level is.

We know his level isn't Fury, he's lost clearly twice to two different styles.

But the next best he's fought is Ortiz, who was past his best and whose resume is hardly stellar anyway (and I'm being somewhat kind here!).

There's a massive chasm between where Wilders is proven successful and where he's proven unsuccessful and you could drive a dozen or so fighters through that gap...

We already know Fury beats him.
I'd be fairly sure AJ beats him.

I'm not sure about Usyk yet at HW, it'd certainly be an interesting one to see, I'd expect Usyk has far too much for Wilder but neither of their levels at HW are entirely clear.

Joyce? Chisora? Ruiz? Whyte?
I think those all have a pretty good chance for various reasons, but I wouldn't be surprised if any of them got KO'd either.. they'd all go straight to #2 on Wilders resume though, and that in itself tells you all you need to know about the lack of clarity around Wilders true level.

 

Eddie Hearn would beat wilder now just on pure frustration

 

Foreman compares Wilder to him. (LOL)

Take it up with George. George thought Wilder beat Fury in fight 1, too.

 

Please do.

It'll make bumping this thread later more fun.

The more Michael Hunter posts the better. (LOL)

 

Hrgovic, Joyce, Whyte has a chance if he bullies him but id favor Wilder hitting his chin hard at some point

AJ would more than likely beat him