Who else would beat Wilder right now?

Despite having no business being in the same ring as him, yes.

Like Breidis with Paul, it's all about the money...

Wilder doesn't sell big PPV's on his own (this wouldn't be any better without a belt!) and Fury is the biggest payday available right now even if he loses again.

Some of the names being thrown around here are rather fanciful, they may be more skilled than Wilder but that doesn't necessarily mean they all beat him.

As I said earlier in the thread, though, Wilders actual level is very difficult to judge and that makes it difficult to speculate on who does and doesn't have a good chance of beating him.

If nothing else because Wilders best opponents are also difficult to place...
His level lies somewhere between his best win, Ortiz, and the man that's clearly a level or two beyond him - but Ortiz resume is patchy at best and Fury again isn't necessarily straightforward to place (his best win is Wlad and that's a long time ago, and he's hardly tested himself other than Wilder lately so his current level is unclear also).

On the basis of all this, Wilder could be anywhere from about #3 to about #10 or even lower depending on where you judge Fury and Ortiz belong (and however you do it, it's not going to be beyond debate!), his reluctance to fight AJ, Whyte and Povetkin along with his seeming admission that he only cherry picked Fury because he thought he'd be past it would suggest he's not all that confident of himself as an apex predator... Then again, perhaps he's more cautious and humble within himself and his persona is all projection, who knows.

Whilst some names mentioned are a couple of steps too far for me, there's a good half dozen that I reckon would stand a good chance of beating him.

 

Exactly.

Wilders level is somewhere between Fury and Ortiz.

Fury since comeback has only fought Wilder and a few cans. Even before that he's not got a stellar resume besides Wlad, and many believe Wlad was far from his best on that particular occasion.
Ortiz best win is Bryant Jennings, hardly a stellar record either - certainly not a strong enough resume to justify placing him highly.

So basically Wilders level is somewhere between a man that's very hard to truly place and another that's very hard to accurately place.

Could be anywhere, all depends where you place Fury and where you place Ortiz (without considering the Wilder fights for eithers resume, because otherwise you're using Wilder in order to place the opponents you use to place Wilder and that would be poor reasoning) and how you count having ducked a bunch of fighters who are far from unstoppable, you have to question how highly he even rates himself.

 

Might well have Okolie knocked them all out, too?

(Please say yes. Please say that Okolie would have knocked out everyone Wilder fought. PLEASE.) LOL.

 

And that would put Okolie where on the Fury-Wilder spectrum?

(Because I'm going to bump this thread forever.)

 

I know cruiserweights are always the "hipster" pick on this board ...

The problem with all the hipster cruiserweight picks are these guys all fought in the same division as Wilder in the amateurs. And Wilder, who walks around no heavier than any of them, decided to fight in the heavyweight division.

And the rest of them, Usyk, Briedis, Hunter, all turned pro at heavyweight ... and then decided to drop to cruiserweight because they don't have to fight guys who outweigh them by 20, 30, 50, 100 pounds.

They get to fight guys their size or smaller.

Hell, Okolie was in the same division as Wilder in the amateurs and didn't even try to fight at heavyweight when he turned pro.

(Someone should tell him he could beat all of the heavyweights, apparently.)

Wilder took the hard way. They took the EASY way. Wilder fought men far bigger than him and knocked out all of them ... except for the LARGEST LINEAL Heavyweight Champion in the history of the sport ... and if he struggled in a fight here or there against the larger guys, he gets slammed for it.

And, instead, they fought guys who weighed 199 lbs. And they didn't even stop all them. Hell, most couldn't even beat all of them.

So I know it's super trendy to pick cruiserweights over Wilder, but if they were as great as you all think they are, why they hell didn't they score 41 knockouts, win the WBC heavyweight title, defend it for five years and 10 defenses, and why aren't they fighting Tyson Fury multiple times?

I mean, if it's so goddamned easy an all.

Seriously, get your heads out of your asses.

Anyway, this has been fun. I'll be sure and bump this thread on occasion when all these clowns you mentioned lose to terrible fighters.

 

**** knows.

Okolie is totally unproven at HW... Might step up well (and young enough to consider it at some point) but no saying yet how well he'd do.

I wouldn't bet against Wilder in that particular fight "right now" as the thread says.

Where do you place Wilder in the HW rankings, then?

 

Why should he have to? People are rated on their wins not how they win. At the end of the day a win is a win. Why should it matter how Wilder wins when the end goal is to win regardless of method.

 

To turn this on its head...

Which is less brave - to fight at heavyweight and duck most of the toughest contenders OR cut weight and fight at cruiser against guys you have a slight ringweight advantage against, and not duck as much?

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Wilder won his belt against a bang average Stiverne and defended it mostly against guys who weren't top ten level (and often nowhere near it), his best wins were against Ortiz whose own resume is poor and makes him hard to place also.

Wilders resume as champion reads like that of a protected champion who got lucky at times (not least in Povetkin doing him a favour by failing a drugs test - a mandatory he would never have voluntarily fought and got lucky in a golden excuse to duck thereafter).

Don't get me wrong, the dude has massive power... But that doesn't mean he's a great champion, to be a great champion you've gotta fight serious opposition, go outside your comfort zone and prove where your level really is, and for me Wilder simply hasn't.

His level could be genuinely up there at around #2-4 somewhere, or it could be lower than that...

The question is, with such a weak resume, why the indignation that anyone should dare question his greatness?!

 

Because it's one of the few ways to hype up Deontay given his paper thin resume leaves little else to cling to?

KO is a great way to put a result beyond doubt - a points win is only officially a win if you're awarded it by the judges on the night (just ask Fury )

 

Less brave?

Oh for Christ's sake. Wilder has fought the best fighter on the whole planet TWICE and is fighting him again a third time. Wilder was the longest reigning heavyweight champion in the last decade other than Wlad. He has more wins against top heavyweights than ALL OF THEM combined.

Mike Hunter just ducked Hrgovic to fight ****ing MIKE WILSON. (Is that braver than fighting Tyson Fury three times and giving up 40 pounds each time?)

Briedis JUST CALLED OUT JAKE PAUL - who hasn't even faced a pro boxer. (Is that braver than fighting Tyson Fury three times and giving up 40 pounds each time?)

Murat Gassiev has had ONE fight in the last three years, against Neri Seferi. (Is that braver than fighting Tyson Fury three times and giving up 40 pounds each time?)

These is the "vaunted" cruiserweights?

I will be bumping this thread accordingly. Be prepared to continue defending these stupid picks forever.

 

"Oh for Christ's sake"

Wilder has been schooled by Fury twice, Fury is only arguably the best fighter at HW (resume does not necessarily back this up)...
Regardless, Wilders Fury fights only prove where his level isn't (ie: anywhere near Fury's) not what his level actually is.

Wilder is a long reigning champion because his defences were against poor quality opponents... And he openly ducked more credible fighters along the way.
The length of his occupancy of that belt is not remotely comparable to Wlads in any meaningful way, but again it's a pointless parallel drawn to falsely inflate Wilders standing.

Think otherwise? Put up a damn argument, because so far you're just talking BS like a fanboi and not backing a damn thing up.

 

You mean more credible fighters like Shaun Laughery, Mike Wilson, Neri Seferi and Chazz Witherspoon?

When you look at who Wilder is fighting, and who these clowns are fighting ... nothing you say has any merit at all.

I'm done humoring you. Have a nice evening.

 

Ducking like your hero, and just as credible.

As expected, putting up nothing relevant whatsoever, fanboi BS yet again.

 

Duck what? Wilder is fighting the best fighter in the world FOR THE THIRD TIME IN HIS LAST FIVE FIGHTS.

None of these clowns have fought better. NONE.

And the guys you are hyping are fighting Mike Wilson, Pavel Sour, Neri Seferi, Shaun Laughery, Junior Fa, Chazz Witherspoon, getting floored by Chris Arreola, getting floored by Dereck Chisora, calling out Jake Paul.

You're the one who can't answer the questions. If these guys were so badass, why weren't they the longest reigning heavyweight champ of the last decade? Why aren't they fighting the best heavyweight in the world?

For all the crap Wilder gets, the other heavyweights are fighting total nobody journeymen or getting floored and struggling against unraked opponents.

Wilder is fighting the VERY BEST, and still getting **** on. And those guys aren't fighting ANYONE.

It makes no sense. And I'm tired of arguing about it because you can't defend who those other clowns - who could supposedly beat Wilder - are fighting (OR DUCKING) themselves.

 

And he's been schooled by him twice already.

Fury does absolutely NOTHING for Wilders resume, except prove that he's got no business being in a ring with someone at Fury's level.

Wilder basically admitted he cherry picked Fury thinking he was finished... Then got schooled by an unfit version and demolished the second fight.

Wilders defences were either bums or fighters with poor resumes magically ranked way above where they deserved to be... Which means the length of his reign is completely irrelevant, not impressive, not a legacy, nothing to parade about.

Ducking?
Hmm AJ? Whyte? Povetkin (after being let off the mando hook)?
Yes, he absolutely ducked opponents way above the level of anything else on his resume.


Now... Maybe you'd rather go back to bleating about cruisers (nothing to do with anything I've said) and pretending Wilders long reign means he's a serious champion rather than a bum fighter with a paper thin resume... You know, like every other repetitive and dull as dishwater post you've made so far?