Who fought a better version of Cotto: Pac or Floyd

what does floyd being the aggressor had to do with my post? :huh

and why are *****s so much sensitive in these boards these days?

 

He said he wants to have a logical discussion and now look at him responding you with name calling. His ***** breed is Pathetic...:hat

 

So his prime ended after he lost to Pacquiao? Do you realise how bias that sounds.

He struggled big time against Clottey and it was a fight that Clottey arguably lost than Cotto won, he only just beat a version of Mosley that was going through some struggles with his career.

I'm not sure when Cotto's prime ended, I always thought it was after the Margarito battering however he's showing he's far from being done after the defeat and has looked better post Pacquiao at 154 than he did post Margo at 147.

 

Tough one but I'd probably go with this response...

 

Err, might have something to do with the level of his opposition. Don't you remember on these forums, ever since Cotto won his title at 154 his haters, so many of them Mayweather fans, have been calling him overrated, overhyped and claiming he hadn't beaten anyone at that weight to be called a top fighter and was shot before the Pac fight.

Not surprisingly that immediately stopped once Floyd signed to fight him, and now after the fight Cotto suddenly was this great fighter at 154. I'm not saying he wasn't, I've always maintained he was still a top fighter and argued for him alot, I just have to laugh at the shamelessness and blatant hypocrisy and lies of Mayweather fans who now have the gall to try and discredit Pacquiao's victory over Cotto after Mayweather beat a guy they constantly trashed and didn't think much of at 154.

Anyway, Cotto fought Pac after fighting Mosley, Gomez, Margarito, Jennings, Clottey..far superior to Foreman, Mayorga, Margarito at 154..Jennings and Gomez were probably closest to the level of guys he fought at 154, and he crushed them, the best he ever looked. Mosley, Margarito, Clottey were the best of the best at 147, so of course he wasn't going to look as good..anyway, his 147 resume was far superior to his 154 resume. Historically that's what will count for most.

 

Jennings is British domestic level at best, you're seriously comparing him to Foreman?!

Margarito was the same guy Pacquiao fought only more comfortable at the weight.

So when do you think Cotto's prime ended?

 

against weak champ foreman, immortal mayorga and margarito whom everyone of your butt buddies thought pac cherry picked. do you honestly thought that 3 resurrected cotto? and lets not forget the fact that cotto made that defense against marg at a catchweight. have you heard of any champ, any era, requesting to defend his belt at a catchweight?

 

it's not bias. i told you the reason. he looked slower at the weight. but i also said that it could be because of the weight jump and becoming old. i also told you that i have no problem saying that cotto might still be in his prime right now but cotto's peak was back in 2007-2009.

he struggled against clottey who is much better a fighter than anyone cotto has fought at 154 before floyd. but he still won even with an ugly cut. and it's not really the case since his opponents at 154 are all watered-down version of those fighters.

over-all, cotto is more proven and accomplished at WW than at LMW.

 

Where as post Margo he just about beat Clottey that has done nothing in his career and a British domestic level contender in Jennings.

Hardly quality opposition.

 

please define "quality opposition"

 

I'm not sure what being more accomplished and proven at WW than LMW has to do with it?

Two questions: Why isn't Cotto fighting at 147 anymore and why did Pacquiao refuse to fight him at 150 if this is now a past prime Cotto and he already beat a prime one a few pounds lighter?

 

P4P level.

Clottey at 147 was no better than Foreman at 154.

 

Physically he left his prime back at WW. As a fighter, he might be a better boxer now after having worked with Steward and now Diaz. I maintained he improved his boxing at 154, showed more composure and discipline in sticking to gameplans in his fights with Mayorga and Foreman, and Margarito than he had at WW, even though I thought 154 was a few lbs over his optimum weight. I even gave him a chance vs Pac in rematch (probably won't happen now). He'd clearly lost a step though, he was more of a beast at WW, that was the perfect weight for him. Anyway, like I said, historically a win over 29 year old Cotto at WW as things stand is worth more than a win over him at 31 at JMW

 

lol, that's bullcrap. Clottey fought Margarito, Judah, Cotto and was more than competitive with each and every one of them, and made them all look bad. Foreman has a good win over Santos, and that's about it. He crumbled against Cotto and Wolak, best fighters he fought. Clottey was clearly above Foreman, was ranked as high as the 20s P4P at one stage