Who gave Usyk a tougher fight. Joshua or Chisora

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  2. aj

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  1. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  2. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Uh...which Joshua fight?

    Joshua did **** all in the first, so Chisora, who had two solid rounds.

    Joshua made some adjustments and put forth a better effort in the second, and it was a real good fight. I think it was the tenth and eleventh (been awhile since I watched it) where Joshua looked like he turned the corner with a great round, and Usyk came right back and took the meat right out of the lion's mouth.

    That was exciting, legendary stuff.
     
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    Slyk Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  5. OldSchoolBoxing

    OldSchoolBoxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Joshua. Usyk's face was messed up in 1st fight.
     
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  6. Philosopher

    Philosopher Active Member Full Member

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    AJ fight 2, I think this might have been Usyk's hardest physical fight at heavyweight
     
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  7. Kiwi Fish

    Kiwi Fish Active Member Full Member

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    Joshua ultimately gave Usyk the harder fight. While I think Chisora gave Usyk some problems, Usyk was never actually "losing" that fight at any point compared to against Joshua.

    I think Usyk probably felt he was winning the Chisora fight clearly and didn't realize how messy it looked to outsiders.
     
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  8. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Chisora literally did better via punch stats lol joshua is overrated
     
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  9. Mickc

    Mickc Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It has to be Chisora that was Usyk’s baptism at Heavyweight imo and Chisora did well applying his pressure and fought a good fight in a commendable losing effort. Joshua 1 he was a beaten man on his ring walk for all to see and in the rematch he did do better but it was always Usyk’s fight and he won it a lot more comfortable than some others thought .
     
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  11. northpaw

    northpaw Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Joshua in the 2nd fight, although tougher is relative. Usyk was still in complete control of that fight as well.
     
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  12. DaRealJT

    DaRealJT Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Chisora won 4-5 rounds.
    Joshua 1 won 2-3 rounds.
    Joshua 2 won 2-3 rounds.

    I’ve always thought it’s been hugely exaggerated how much “better” Joshua performed in the rematch. Apart from a huge round 9, he maybe nicked 1-2 other close rounds. 117-111 or 118-110 would be a fair score for both Usyk-Joshua fights.
     
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  13. gollumsluvslave

    gollumsluvslave Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't think it was, IMO Usyk 2 was the best Joshua that has ever been in a ring; it's just that Usyk also upped his game as well - he had no mid-rounds dip like he did in the 1st fight.

    Plus not sure what you were watching to give DelBoy any more than 3 rounds - was 9-3 Usyk, and he hardly got out of 2nd gear AND was recovering from illness!
     
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  14. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Not sure why so much is made about Usyk having a few tough fights or fights which were allegedly tougher than they actually were

    Briedis gave a prime Usyk a very tough fight at Usyk's natural weight CW and every fighter has had tough fights in their primes, let alone when past their prime, and the vast vast majority of them actually lost or lost numerous times in their primes too or many lost via KO or stoppage in their primes

    How many of the HW greats were giving away the kind of physical advantages Usyk has routinely been doing at HW, let alone in the mid to late 30s and in their opponent's backyards or on the road? Not many. Some might have done so occasionally or a handful of times but they were also generally fighting HWs their size, smaller or much smaller too. Usyk has never fought anyone his size at HW they're all much or way bigger than him

    Ali had many tough fights, is lucky not to have more Ls on his ledger than he does, and in his fight directly before winning his first HW title and one of his greatest ever wins he was lucky the bell came to his rescue after having been dropped like a sack of potatoes by a 22lb lighter Euro level

    Duran had many tough fights and lost to fighters well below his level

    Wlad was KO'd or TKO'd 3 times in his prime too and has been dropped many times

    Lennox Lewis was one punch iced out x 2 in the midst of his prime by smaller or much smaller fighters who were hardly ATGs

    He lost to Ray Mercer in many people's eyes too, including mine, a Mercer who lost a few years earlier to a journeyman with 9 losses and fought to a draw against another journeyman the previous year to getting robbed vs Lewis who was 7-9-2

    Lewis should have at least 4 losses. He was a very dirty fighter whose signature move was holding his opponent's head in place with his left glove and then cracking them full power with a huge right over the top or a big right uppercut whilst they were blindsided

    This is a clear DQ loss. Not only did he crack his vastly overmatched journeyman opponent with not 1, 2 but 3 illegal shots while they were down but he even did his signature hold the head in place with his left glove to set up the sequence of illegal blows on a downed vastly overmatched journeyman opponent

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    The list is endless but for some strange reason people hyperfocus on Uysk having a few tough fights or supposedly tougher fights than they actually were in his mid to late 30s vs opponents who had 20-55lbs on him, 2 of whom with much or way longer reach advantages to accompany their huge weight and height advantages

    People act like it would be incredibly unfair for Crawford to fight Benavidez even though he only has a half an inch longer reach than Crawford and the 168lb version was like anything from between 5-10lbs heavier than him. The LHW version anything between 10-20lbs max

    It's a hell of a lot easier to be dominant and not have tough fights when you're fighting opponents you're much bigger or bigger than, or at worst who are roughly your size, fighting exclusively at home with home refs and judges or at least 2 home judges and 1 neutral one, whom you have a big reach advantage over or always a reach advantage over, and who are featherfists or average punchers at best sans a few times

    As opposed to fighting murderous punchers, legit bangers, exclusively in their backyards or on the road, and murderous punching or big punching giants or much naturally bigger men, in their backyards or on the road who hold huge or obscene physical advantages over you
     
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  15. SouthpawsRule

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    Probably because Usyk never lost, so his close performances catch the eye a bit more. Lewis having a close fight with someone doesn’t really draw much attention as he got highlight-reel KO’d twice.