Who gave Usyk a tougher fight. Joshua or Chisora

Serge · Sep 22, 2025 at 7:46 AM

SouthpawsRule said: ↑

Probably because Usyk never lost, so his close performances catch the eye a bit more. Lewis having a close fight with someone doesn’t really draw much attention as he got highlight-reel KO’d twice.
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Could be but they conveniently forget how many tough fights, tough fights vs inferior or much inferior fighters, the greats from previous eras had as well, or losses, KO losses, near KO losses, the many times they were hurt or knocked down, even by much smaller fighters, including ones well below their level

Usyk isn't only undefeated and didn't only become undisputed at CW and then at HW in a division full of giants and massive punching giants when almost 35 to 37 years of age, he's done did so without ever being KD despite running a gauntlet of massive punchers and legit bangers, in their backyards or on the road, and he still hasn't yet at 38.5 years of age.

Completely unheard of but people want to focus on him having a few tough fights vs giants and way bigger and heavier men on a deck stacked against him in his mid-late 30s

SouthpawsRule · Sep 22, 2025 at 8:03 AM

Serge said: ↑

Could be but they conveniently forget how many tough fights, tough fights vs inferior or much inferior fighters, the greats from previous eras had as well, or losses, KO losses, near KO losses, the many times they were hurt or knocked down, even by much smaller fighters, including ones well below their level

Usyk isn't only undefeated and didn't only become undisputed at CW and then at HW in a division full of giants and massive punching giants when almost 35 to 37 years of age, he's done did so without ever being KD despite running a gauntlet of massive punchers and legit bangers, in their backyards or on the road, and he still hasn't yet at 38.5 years of age.

Completely unheard of but people want to focus on him having a few tough fights vs giants and way bigger and heavier men on a deck stacked against him in his mid-late 30s
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That’s exactly why imo, Usyk has been dominant in a way almost no other HW has ever been before, so the margin of error is smaller for the fans to start criticizing, similar things happened to Mayweather as well where people would consider every close decision a loss as he was undefeated and beating many people quite decisively.

Serge · Sep 22, 2025 at 8:06 AM

SouthpawsRule said: ↑

That’s exactly why imo, Usyk has been dominant in a way almost no other HW has ever been before, so the margin of error is smaller for the fans to start criticizing, similar things happened to Mayweather as well where people would consider every close decision a loss as he was undefeated and beating many people quite decisively.
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I think that's part of the reason but not all of it. People tend to generally suffer from selective amnesia when it comes to fighters from previous eras in general. Rose-tinted goggles

Dynamicpuncher · Sep 22, 2025 at 8:09 AM

I gave Joshua 3 or 4 rounds in their 2nd fight i can't remember exactly.

I think Chisora won 4 rounds aswell I gave him 3 out of the first 4 and I gave him 1 more round in the 2nd half of the fight.

Chisora I think pushed Usyk harder and made him work harder overall due to his constant aggression he also landed more punches overall than Joshua did.

But Joshua had the most dominant round out of the 2 fighters in the 9th round ? I believe it was.

Joeywill · Sep 22, 2025 at 8:14 AM

Joshua because he actually hurt Usyk

Chisora was just competitive because Usyk was new at heavyweight and didnt fight well.

Actually interesting how Usyk got such a pass for doing so badly vs Derek Chisora when Fury completely outclassed Chisora 3 times

Joeywill · Sep 22, 2025 at 8:14 AM

Serge said: ↑

Not sure why so much is made about Usyk having a few tough fights or fights which were allegedly tougher than they actually were

Briedis gave a prime Usyk a very tough fight at Usyk's natural weight CW and every fighter has had tough fights in their primes, let alone when past their prime, and the vast vast majority of them actually lost or lost numerous times in their primes too or many lost via KO or stoppage in their primes

How many of the HW greats were giving away the kind of physical advantages Usyk has routinely been doing at HW, let alone in the mid to late 30s and in their opponent's backyards or on the road? Not many. Some might have done so occasionally or a handful of times but they were also generally fighting HWs their size, smaller or much smaller too. Usyk has never fought anyone his size at HW they're all much or way bigger than him

Ali had many tough fights, is lucky not to have more Ls on his ledger than he does, and in his fight directly before winning his first HW title and one of his greatest ever wins he was lucky the bell came to his rescue after having been dropped like a sack of potatoes by a 22lb lighter Euro level

Duran had many tough fights and lost to fighters well below his level

Wlad was KO'd or TKO'd 3 times in his prime too and has been dropped many times

Lennox Lewis was one punch iced out x 2 in the midst of his prime by smaller or much smaller fighters who were hardly ATGs

He lost to Ray Mercer in many people's eyes too, including mine, a Mercer who lost a few years earlier to a journeyman with 9 losses and fought to a draw against another journeyman the previous year to getting robbed vs Lewis who was 7-9-2

Lewis should have at least 4 losses. He was a very dirty fighter whose signature move was holding his opponent's head in place with his left glove and then cracking them full power with a huge right over the top or a big right uppercut whilst they were blindsided

This is a clear DQ loss. Not only did he crack his vastly overmatched journeyman opponent with not 1, 2 but 3 illegal shots while they were down but he even did his signature hold the head in place with his left glove to set up the sequence of illegal blows on a downed vastly overmatched journeyman opponent

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The list is endless but for some strange reason people hyperfocus on Uysk having a few tough fights or supposedly tougher fights than they actually were in his mid to late 30s vs opponents who had 20-55lbs on him, 2 of whom with much or way longer reach advantages to accompany their huge weight and height advantages

People act like it would be incredibly unfair for Crawford to fight Benavidez even though he only has a half an inch longer reach than Crawford and the 168lb version was like anything from between 5-10lbs heavier than him. The LHW version anything between 10-20lbs max

It's a hell of a lot easier to be dominant and not have tough fights when you're fighting opponents you're much bigger or bigger than, or at worst who are roughly your size, fighting exclusively at home with home refs and judges or at least 2 home judges and 1 neutral one, whom you have a big reach advantage over or always a reach advantage over, and who are featherfists or average punchers at best sans a few times

As opposed to fighting murderous punchers, legit bangers, exclusively in their backyards or on the road, and murderous punching or big punching giants or much naturally bigger men, in their backyards or on the road who hold huge or obscene physical advantages over you
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Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfied and even Deontay Wilder

Dynamicpuncher · Sep 22, 2025 at 8:16 AM

Serge said: ↑

Could be but they conveniently forget how many tough fights, tough fights vs inferior or much inferior fighters, the greats from previous eras had as well, or losses, KO losses, near KO losses, the many times they were hurt or knocked down, even by much smaller fighters, including ones well below their level

Usyk isn't only undefeated and didn't only become undisputed at CW and then at HW in a division full of giants and massive punching giants when almost 35 to 37 years of age, he's done did so without ever being KD despite running a gauntlet of massive punchers and legit bangers, in their backyards or on the road, and he still hasn't yet at 38.5 years of age.

Completely unheard of but people want to focus on him having a few tough fights vs giants and way bigger and heavier men on a deck stacked against him in his mid-late 30s
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Serge I thought Lewis was starting to pull away from Mercer in the later rounds and had it been 12 rounds I think Lewis would've won more clearly.

For example if Usyk/Chisora would've been a 10 rounder that would've been very close on the scorecards aswell. But Usyk pulled away from Chisora in the later rounds to win a competitive but clear decision.

PS I quoted the wrong post I was replying to your post on the first page for context.

hobby rider · Sep 22, 2025 at 8:20 AM

Joeywill said: ↑

Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfied and even Deontay Wilder
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Wilder is neither a HW great nor is he giving away any physical advantages.

MaccaveliMacc · Sep 22, 2025 at 8:23 AM

AJ II. The fight was actually even until the 10th.

Oddone · Sep 22, 2025 at 8:27 AM

Serge said: ↑

Lewis should have at least 4 losses. He was a very dirty fighter whose signature move was holding his opponent's head in place with his left glove and then cracking them full power with a huge right over the top or a big right uppercut whilst they were blindsided
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Ten points for use of the word "whilst"

Oh and Incoming Lennox Lewis defenders in 3, 2, 1...

MarkusFlorez99 · Sep 22, 2025 at 8:29 AM

Joeywill said: ↑

Joshua because he actually hurt Usyk

Chisora was just competitive because Usyk was new at heavyweight and didnt fight well.

Actually interesting how Usyk got such a pass for doing so badly vs Derek Chisora when Fury completely outclassed Chisora 3 times
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When did joshua hurt Usyk

Serge · Sep 22, 2025 at 8:33 AM

Oddone said: ↑

Ten points for use of the word "whilst"

Oh and Incoming Lennox Lewis defenders in 3, 2, 1...
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LDL aka Lummox Defence League all of whom are also cursed with below average punch resistance too

MaccaveliMacc · Sep 22, 2025 at 8:34 AM

MarkusFlorez99 said: ↑

When did joshua hurt Usyk
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Round 9.

MarkusFlorez99 · Sep 22, 2025 at 8:35 AM

MaccaveliMacc said: ↑

Round 9.
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I don't remember him ever getting hurt, could you timestamp ?

Joeywill · Sep 22, 2025 at 8:48 AM

MarkusFlorez99 said: ↑

When did joshua hurt Usyk
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Round 9

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