Who gives a prime Ali nightmares?

Basically you have shown yourself up to be the ******* you are by stating that Ali, and his corner were liars, and when challenged on it, you are a big mouthed muppet with not a shred of proof that they did in fact lie.

Why don't you just slither back into the water with all the other pond life?

Some advice. If you want to call people liars when you haven't got a fvcking clue what you are waffling about, try politicians.

The chances are you'd be right ( for once ) on sheer percentages.

 

The last time I watched this fight was at the time,never watched it since.
I'm going to seek out film and watch it again! This is doing my f****** head in!

 

Next time you want to challenge known boxing history debate with someone at your very low level.

Where is your evidence that Alis jaw was broken in round one and why did Alis camp change the round his jaw was broken in from round one to round two? It's his jaw so he should know quite clearly when such a devastating injury occurred.

Ali and his camp also had excuses after losing to Frazier in 71. All fighters have excuses for losses however this time the boxing public did not buy it. Only the most die hard Ali fan believed the broken jaw in round one alibi.

You have a very foul mouth.

 

I don't care what you think of my Anglo Saxon language. That is the beauty of creating a language you can..............oops, my mistake. Being Murican, you wouldn't know anything about original languages would you?


As for debating on your level, you don't have one, other than imbecile who decides that the most well known fighter on the planet ever, his trainer, his own doctor, and the rest of his team are LIARS.

Furthermore, most liars lie with a motive. What was Ali's motive for lying? All he did was rematch Norton, then fight Lubbers, and rematch Frazier. What advantage is there in Ali lying about when his jaw was broken in the fight.

The level of your intellect is the same as that of Walter Mitty.

 

Several boxing writers suscribe to the theory that it occured in the second round ,as my post above proves.
The fact that you class it as an ALIBI tells us where you are coming from here.

"Joe stayed on me always on my chest;and from out of nowhere he'd throw the hook.
If I was young,I'd have danced for fifteen rounds,and Joe wouldn't ever have caught me.

But the first time we fought , I was three and a half years out of shape.

He punched hard;he pressured me good.And laying on the ropes to save energy ,I lost some rounds I could have won. But it would be wrong to say I gave the fight to Joe
.I didn't give it away.Joe earned it." Muhammad Ali . I don't class that as an excuse,seems pretty reasonable acceptance of defeat.Well it does to any unbiased observer.
The key word is "unbiased".

 

Don't lump me in with that unhinged goon. I'll swear as much as I like, and couldn't care less who is offended by it.

I am not the one here who states CATEGORICALLY Ali's jaw was broken in a certain round.

I have consistently said that I have no reason to disbelieve Ali, and his corner people.

The lunatic wannabee escapologist on the other hand?

 

I'm not lumping you with anyone.

I'm merely saying no one has provided conclusive proof as to when the jaw was broken and that therefore I accept both Ali's and his corner's version of events. I believe that means we are of the same opinion.

You can swear whenever you want , as it's not directed at me, it isn't my concern.
You can put your hands down now.:bbb

 

Ali had all sorts of reasons why he lost to Frazier. Heck he insisted for years he was robbed and that he really won that fight never giving Joe credit for the victory. If you don't know this you really have no clue.

Obviously you believe in something where there is no evidence to support it. As mentioned the broken jaw was a convenient excuse to explain a loss to a fighter he was supposed to beat easy.

Aside from blood coming from Alis mouth only in round 12, aside from Ali immediately becoming defensive in round 12 after getting hit with the jaw breaking punch, aside from Ali taking shot after shot from Norton all through the fight without producing blood or any response of pain from Ali, aside from Pacheco telling Cosell Ali had a broken tooth in round 8, aside from Alis corner stating the jaw break came in round one but then changing it to round two, aside from no one believing Alis claim from Ring or BI we also have this medical snippet....

Chicago Tribune May 13 1973

"The decision really was not in doubt. The only controversy was when Alis jaw was broken. Ali said round one while Norton insisted it was in round 12. Dr. Fredrick Barnes who has a practice downtown looked at the xray of Alis broken jaw he feels that the injury had to have happened late in the fight. "The ends of the bones at the break were very close together. Had the break happened early and was beaten upon for many rounds that gap would have been wider". "With such a complete break I would have expected some level of injury to the other side of Alis jaw since it would be taking the full brunt of Nortons punches for so many rounds." Another claim by Ali was that he sprained his ankle but he spent the entire 11th round dancing and moving so just how badly could the injury have been?"

All this and you offer nothing in response. I rest my case. Actually it's boxing history 101.

 

You 've offered no proof what so ever , just an opinion of an MD who was not even present at the fight and who at no time actually examined Ali himself,and one who has no special expertise in this area.

You are so desperate to derogate Ali that your responses are not rational.
Yes. McGrain was right about you . LUNATICatsch

 

Can't compete so you name call. Sign of a very low intelligence.

It's not my opinion. I am educating you concerning boxing history. It does not jive with what you would like to believe, you have no evidence to back your belief....so you are reduced to name calling. Flatly discounting valid evidence as you are doing is also a sign of desperation. Can't fight with facts so you are left with nothing except trying to shake your head in response. That does not cut it I am sorry to say.

Where is your evidence that Alis jaw was broken in round one or two?

 

Yes I believe we are of the same opinion, and I hope I didn't give the wrong impression.

You can see by the lunatic's response to your post above why he deserves to be insulted.

This moron actually believes that someone with the reputation and admiration of an Ali, Dundee, etc, etc needs to PROVE to him what they claim.

Those are serious delusions of grandeur.

In this and the other thread, no one else to my knowledge has tried to portray team Ali as liars.

 

You are the guy with the name calling M O.

Where is the evidence Ali's jaw was broken in the last round?

You just don't get it, there is no proof either way.

Get over it and move on.

 

You don't get it. You have no proof. Lots of proof the jaw breaking occurred in round 12.

I even have a doctors opinion...

Chicago Tribune May 13 1973

"The decision really was not in doubt. The only controversy was when Alis jaw was broken. Ali said round one while Norton insisted it was in round 12. Dr. Fredrick Barnes who has a practice downtown looked at the xray of Alis broken jaw he feels that the injury had to have happened late in the fight. "The ends of the bones at the break were very close together. Had the break happened early and was beaten upon for many rounds that gap would have been wider". "With such a complete break I would have expected some level of injury to the other side of Alis jaw since it would be taking the full brunt of Nortons punches for so many rounds." Another claim by Ali was that he sprained his ankle but he spent the entire 11th round dancing and moving so just how badly could the injury have been?"

Again all of this was decided 40 years ago. The overwhelming opinion was that Alis jaw was not broken early but more than likely in round 12. So it's not just my opinion it's boxing history. Something you obviously ignore based on the quality of your posts.

 

Lets try again.

There is a Doctor's opinion that it happened in the second round Ferdie Pacheco's and he happened to be there at the time.

How about.

"Joe stayed on me always on my chest;and from out of nowhere he'd throw the hook.
If I was young,I'd have danced for fifteen rounds,and Joe wouldn't ever have caught me.

But the first time we fought , I was three and a half years out of shape.

He punched hard;he pressured me good.And laying on the ropes to save energy ,I lost some rounds I could have won. But it would be wrong to say I gave the fight to Joe
.I didn't give it away.Joe earned it." Muhammad Ali

Is your ******ed brain capable of reading, and DIGESTING the above?

You cut and paste some report of a doctor who never met Ali in his life, but ignore what a doctor who was in the ring says.

You say Ali never gave Joe credit, yet directly above is an Ali quote doing exactly that. You can only be a Walter Mitty.

This is becoming easy, like shooting fish in a barrel. I'm starting to enjoy this, keep em coming.

 

What I'd honestly like to know is whether or not any of your fellow Americans find it embarrassing that you're denying this statement is giving Joe any credit?

" Joe stayed on me, always on my chest, and from out of nowhere he'd throw the hook "

Or how about. " He punched hard, he pressured me good "

I have to admit that as a non American, I find such idiocy hilarious.