Who gives a prime Ali nightmares?

Because you looked up his name and spelled it correctly in some way you claim victory? Pretty laughable. Pretty pathetic.

You knew nothing of the norton jaw break controversy. You knew nothing of Ali claiming victory over Frazier in fight one. Now you say you never heard of a top 10 hwt from the 30's? He trained that summer at Harveys Lake PA. His favorite punch was an uppercut to the body or head he would bring from the floor.

How is your foul mouthed brother doing...or is he your alter ego?

 

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Would you be so kind as to post the answers, if it's not too much trouble? It's a bit of a cheek to ask, I know.

 

No problem ,it appears Mr Houdini is not so brave taking up challenges as he is throwing out insults.I will give him a bit more time , but I'm not expecting him to take up the gauntlet, like Mendoza he is a fantasist who lives in a world of his own creation.

 

No as I said I've never heard of Isadora Gastegnaga .

I'm familiar with Isidoro Gastanaga.

I would not describe him as ever a top heavyweight at any stage of his career however, and nor would anyone with anything but a cursory knowledge of boxing.
When was he ever rated?

How pathetic is it to ask .

ONE SINGLE QUESTION ABOUT A FIGHTER ,AND MANAGE TO SPELL BOTH OF HIS NAMES WRONG ?

Hank Kaplan you are not!

When are we going to see some proof of your association with Muhammad Ali and his training camp? Or,does that only exist in .

"Houdini Lunatic World " ?


For all your queries about Isadora Gastegnaga

Write to Mr Houdini History 101 Fantasy Island.

Answers c/o Nurse Ratched.

ps Wipe that omelette off your face.

 

Don't get yourself dragged in to Houlooni land. The guy is a halfwit. He doesn't even know what controversy is.

Controversy would have been if Norton, and Futch came out straight away and said " Ali is a motherf&*£$^g liar." They didn't.

Controversy would have been Ali saying. " I was robbed in the FOTC by the judges " He didn't.

Ali said he believed if he hadn't had the enforced lay off he would have beaten Joe, as he could possibly have danced away from him. He then said " I didn't give the fight away Joe earned it."

The only controversies are in Houlooni land.

 

I'd rather buy someone a pint than argue over one.:good

I just can't stand people who make stupid accusations ( racism ) when they haven't got a fvcking clue what they are talking about.


Queenfisher played the race card, so she was abused.

 

SINCE HOUDINI HAS NEITHER THE KNOWLEDGE OR THE BALLS TO ANSWER ANY OF THESE AND A POSTER HAS ASKED ME TO.
HERE ARE THE ANSWERS.AND YOU WONT FIND THEM ON BOX REC .

1.Joe Louis got married to Marva Trotter the afternoon of the Baer fight.
2. Baer's middle name was Adelbert.
3.His Father's first name was Jacob.
4. The J stands for nothing it was just for effect.
5.Carnera v Uzcudun.
6.Uzcudun could not throw a left jab because of an accident with an axe , He was a wood chopper by trade.
7.Tom O Rourke the old fight manager, and promoter collapsed and died in Schmeling's dressingroom just before Max left for the ring.
8.Jackson Pollack and James Jackson Jeffries is the answer.
9. Jeffries asked his brother to ask Johnson for his gloves.
10.Traffic accident.
11.Walter Croot.
12.Con Riordan.
13.Jackson went into the ring nursing a sprained ankle.
14.Choynski had "forgotten his gloves when the first attempt at the fight was abandoned because of Police interference, he fought in ribbed driving gloves.
15.Wiliam Perry was known as The Tipton Slasher.
16.The Jeffries/ Sharkey title fight saw the last bareknuckle blow struck in a heavyweight ttile fight Sharkey was in a clinch with jeffries and Jeffries pinned his glove with his arm Sharkey pulled away, and in doing so ,pulled his glove off, not waiting for it to be replaced, he struck Jeffries with his bare fist.
17. The last round had to be "re-enacted" because they ran out of film.
18.No one Johnson v Jeffries was the entire bill.
19.Sam McVey.
20. Looking across at Arcel who had been in the corner of many of Louis's challengers.Louis cracked "whaht you again!"
21.Galento reached over , mussed up Louis's hair ,and rubbed his face.
22.Sharkey was pissed off because he could not lay a glove on the young Jack Johnson ,so he told his corner ,"tell him to hold his head up", they replied," you are fighting him you make him ".
23.Braddock accidentally butted Loughran and opened a bad cut inhis hairline the blood cascading down acted as a lubricant and caused his eyes to roll around in their sockets.
24.Walcott shot himself through the hand witha pistol.
25.Carlos Miranda .
26.Dower was Kod in the 1st rd.
27.Willard refereed Solly Krieger against Joey Spieger and Billy Conn against General Burrows.
28.Willard had moveable fragments of bone in his cheek,and temple.
29.Three.
30.Griffith fought Brian Curvis and Dave Charnley in the UK, also Harry Scott who won and lost against Hurricane Carter. he won them all. The Curvis fight was a welter title defence.
31.Wilde learned that the Prince Of Wales was in the audience and he did not wish to dissapoint him.
32. Hein Ten Hoff.
33. Toxie Hall.
34. Raphael Butler and Travis Walker.
35.Kochan hated blacks, he spat on a black boxer he had knocked down.
36.George K O Chaney.
37..Charlie White ,the old left hooker who dropped Benny Leonard, was born in Liverpool UK.
38. Laurent Dauthille.
39.A manager, Ancil Hoffman and a big right hand.
40. Billy Petrolle.
41.A tartan Tam O' Shanter.
42. Carruthers and Songkitrat fought in tropical storm in Bangkok ,they fought barefoot.
43.Winstone had the tops of a couple of fingers taken off his right hand in a factory accident.
44.Winstone beat Mitsunoru Seki.
45.Jofre is a vegetarian.
46.Ralph Charles.
47.Al Singer.
48.Babe Risko.
49. Moran and Attell drew over 25rds, in the rematch Moran wanted 25 rds Atell 20rds , they compromised with 23rds. it was another draw.
50.Driscoll had given his word he would box on a charity show back home in the UK, he kept it.

I hope you will agree you would need at least some knowledge of boxing to know these answers ,Boxrec would not cut it.

This was not an exercise in vanity .
It was an exercise in exposing Houdini for the fantasist, fake, and fraud that he is,because he did not have the balls to take up the challenge .


I hope Fists Of Fury, who wanted the answers is happy.

 

Thanks mcvey :good

 

The broken jaw occurred in the second round without a doubt in my mind,although Ali showed slight bleeding from the mouth in the first,which led Angie to assume it might have been then.

My observation comes from the fact that Ali exclaimed," I think my jaw is broken! I heard something pop," and my physical exam at that moment between the second and third rounds.

The exam revealed a jaw fractured but in line.The separation is palpated[Ifelt with the fingertip] as well as a peculiar sound evoked[crepitation], which feels and sounds like finely crunched glass.
The key to stopping the fight then is whether the injury is life threatening ,or whether the fighter is in danger of permanent disability.


Neither was the case at the end of the second round.

I did not tell Ali then that it was broken, but spoke of a cracked tooth.

The reason is that the responsibility lies with the chief second,in this case Angelo Dundee,and I wanted him to have time between rounds to discuss it.

By the end of the next round,the third Angelo had been apprised of the lesion and, in a hurried conference we decided to tell the fighter and see if he could put Norton away and have done with this fight.

Here I must interject, that if either of the aforementioned criteria were met_ had Ali's life or future abilities been at stake_ I would have stopped it by signalling the commission doctor,[ who later told me he thanked God we did not call him ,since the overflow crowd would have really been aroused by the fight being stopped at the second or third,after paying out one hundred smackers regardless of what the fighter wanted."

Ferdie Pacheco MD.

In the 8th round Cosell asks Pacheco if Ali has something wrong with his jaw because of the way he is holding it? It is clearly audible on the video.

Pacheco fobs him off by saying he has a cracked tooth.

Now we have two choices we can either believe Pacheco, Dundee, Ali, and Youngblood .
Or we can believe you,and in doing so call them liars.

Toughie.

 

Well I had an open mind on this but I think that's game set and match!

 

Thank you young Sir. Open minds are not half as common as is supposed.:good

 

You're very welcome.:good

 

Lets hope so, but I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you. After all he's just spent the previous 20 pages telling everyone that the above mentioned corner, are all liars, and quoting kunts that write for newspapers, as being more reliable.

He professes to be all worldly and wise, but he is too stupid to realise that the ONLY thing written in a newspaper that can considered truthful, is the date.

The rest is merely the opinions of the editor and proprietor.

 

Everyone knows Alis corners take on the broken jaw. Known boxing history.

The question is did the boxing public believe that story? The answer to that question is absolutely not. It's not a question of what I myself believe. I am telling you the prevailing thought at that time.

Since neither of you lived in the US at that time it's perfectly understandable you just don't realize the prevailing thought at that time. Just as it's well known Alis corners take on the broken jaw it's just as well known that the boxing public did not believe that it occurred as they portrayed it. Known very well understood boxing history and the snippets I've posted reflect both the controversy and the fact Alis corner was not believed.

End of story.

 

If you look through the posts on this thread, I think you will find that what you believe, or indeed what you perceive others believe, is not given much credence here.

You are in your own little cocoon of fantasy , and long may you stay there.:hi: