Who had better legacy at 175...Hopkins or Jones?

easily jones and jones legacy was not built on one division, rather at least 3.

its an unfair question, hopkins real division was MW, he was both old and thus sporadic at LHW

 

I like Roys , Hopkins had one true opponent at 175 who was in his prime and he lost twice ( really ) to him.

 

Both distinctly underwhelming at 175lbs imo.

 

If you want an actual debate, put some effort in and analyse each guys resume at the weight.

What you've written above is absolute nonsense.

 

Well I like Hop’s more...

But I think I would go RJJ, but the difference is slim. Both had a 6-7 year (by rings ratings) as the champ or top 2 in the division. I think RJJ has the bigger wins and loses as well to balance it and make it close.

Neither to me (and I am a big Hops fan) is more than a blip on the radar of the LHW landscape overall though.

 

Roy's LHW resume:

McCallum
Griffin - Loss
Griffin
Hill
Del Valle
Grant
Frazier
Johnson
Telesco
Hall
Harding
Harmon
Gonzalez
Kelly
Woods
Tarver
Tarver - Loss
Johnson - Loss
Tarver - Loss
Ajamu
Hanshaw
Trinidad (C-W)
Calzaghe - Loss
Sheika
Lacy
Hopkins - Loss

Bernard's LHW resume:

Tarver
Wright (C-W)
Calzaghe - Loss
Pavlik - (C-W)
Ornelas
Jones
Pascal - Draw
Pascal
Dawson - NC
Dawson - Loss
Cloud
Murat
Shumenov
Kovalev - Loss
Smith - Loss

What's the criteria?

Points to consider:

Roy's losses hurt his legacy.

Bernard's longevity where he won titles at an advanced age deserves huge respect.

Roy was the unified LHW champ.

Roy made history by regaining the LHW titles after dropping back from HW.

Bernard's biggest wins were fought at C-W's and weren't really LHW fights.


Despite his losses, I think Roy comes out on top.

Roy had the better wins at the weight.

Collectively, Roy's wins over: McCallum, Griffin, Hill, Johnson, Harding, Hall, Gonzalez, Woods and Tarver etc, were better than Bernard's wins over: Tarver, Wright, Pavlik, Roy, Pascal, Cloud, Murat and Shumanov.

 

RJJ IMO is known much more outside the diehard fan's circle, specifically his DQ & rematch blitz over Griffin & then his Tarver fights.

I've learned that most casual fans don't know Hop outside his wins over Tito & DLH. So I'd go RJJ from a casual fan & die hard POV.

 

What Hopkins did was tremendous since he was in his 40's and two weight classes above his prime weight. To be among the best of your generation under those circumstances is absolutely amazing. One of the great achievements in boxing history.

But let's not lose sight of the fact that Jones was a much more dominant LHW during his best years at the weight. He reached a pinnacle that was clearly above the one Hopkins reached at the weight. Not surprising since he spent a big chunk of his prime there while Hopkins was years past his during his whole time at the weight, but it is what it is in terms who reached the highest peak at LHW. RJJ clearly did.

 

WATCH ROY WATCH B HOP,ROY BY A MILE