Who had more power as a WW (Duran or SRL)

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  1. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Not saying who hit harder actually, I haven't commented. All in all I think it's relatively close, but I could see it being SRL. However, if wasn't commentating on my formula, I was saying how does what I say fit in YOUR formula. In the first fight with Hearns, he wasn't dropped, nor was he really even hurt. In the second fight, when dropped twice, again he wasn't all that hurt. He wasn't covering up and taking a beating from Hearns. This is in stark contrasts to how he reacted to Duran hitting him. He got jello legs and covered up right away and held for the duration of the round. He comments "My head was still in the clouds for about 4 rounds after that punch". So it wasn't as you describe and he just wobbled his legs a little. He said it affected him for the next few rounds. Again, we see him cover up in round 3 and hold on while covering up. Again, this is in stark contrast to how he acted with Hearns when "hurt". So I say again, Duran didn't even get much leverage into that punch at all, yet it hurt SRL very badly, how do you explain that? Does that sound like a guy who has very little power at WW to you?
     
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  2. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    That quote is just Leonard being Leonard.
     
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  3. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I didn't say Duran had little power. I said Sugar Ray Leonard had more power.

    Duran scored knockouts at welter. He could stun people. He just didn't knock out anyone considered a top guy. Leonard did.

    If Duran had knocked out Leonard, you could point to Sugar Ray Leonard as someone Duran knocked out at the weight. Like I can point to Hearns and Benitez and Price and Green and Ranzany for Leonard.

    But Duran didn't knock out Leonard, just like he didn't knock out anyone of note at the weight.

    Frankly, SO WHAT if Leonard got stunned in one of his fights by Duran. I'm sure Palomino got stunned by Duran, too. But Duran didn't stop them, iike Leonard stopped his.
     
  4. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I may believe that, if he didn't act that very way. If he fought back right away and should no signs of being hurt, okay, but that wasn't the case was it Kev? He immediately tried to hold on and wasn't responding with punches. Then, if your version is to be believed, the next round showing no signs of being hurt, he'd continue to fight like normal with no evidence of being hurt. Yet that isn't what happens is it Kev? He again comes out very timid and not on steady legs. He again covers up and holds on the instant Duran rushes him. He wasn't fighting normally nor firing back normally like we see later when he head is clear. The visual evidence backs up his statement that he was hurt badly, not the other way around. It completely disproves the theory that he was "just being Leonard" .
     
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  5. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hearns didn't get KO'd, he was out on his feet. Did you forget how Duran stopped Palomino? A guy with a much better chin than Hearns. Did you forget that Wilfred was a premature stoppage in my view, and other people's view. He wasn't KO'd or unable to continue. Did you even see these fights you're commenting on?

    I'm simply saying, SRL had a solid chin, a very solid chin. Hearns didn't hurt him the way Duran did, and we know Hearns has great power. So I'm asking a simply question, if Duran hurt SRL that badly, with a poorly leveraged punch, doesn't that indicate very good power at the weight?
     
  6. Dubblechin

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    You asked a simple question and I gave you a simple answer.

    I didn't say Duran had little power. I said Sugar Ray Leonard had MORE power.

    Leonard stopped top guys at the weight. Duran didn't.

    Leonard stopped the WBC champ Benitez to take his title and stopped the WBA champ Hearns to take his title. Leonard stopped longtime top contenders Price, Green and Ranzany. (Price and Green were stopped brutally.)

    Duran didn't stop any champs or top contenders at welter. Duran stopped Wellington Wheatley.

    You seem to be arguing with someone who said Duran had NO power at the weight. I'm not that guy.

    The question of the thread is who had MORE power. Who hit harder at welterweight? LEONARD DID. Because he stopped the top guys. Duran DIDN'T.

    That doesn't mean Duran's power sucked. Or Duran couldn't punch his way out of a wet paper sack.

    IT JUST MEANS Leonard hit harder, because he proved it against the top guys in the division.

    Is that simple enough for you?

    You seem to be basing all this on a fraction of a second in the first Duran-Leonard fight when Leonard wobbled a little. I'm basing it on the stoppages Leonard actually scored against top competition.
     
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  7. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Okay, I accept that answer and I get what you're saying.

    Again though, you keep on mischaracterizing the punch as a fraction of a second SRL was wobbled. He was much more than that. He was hurt more than either time Hearns knocked him down or really most any other time one can remember. He didn't comment on Hagler's power like he did Duran. So while not important, he wasn't simple wobbled for a fraction of a second. That implies he wasn't really hurt and fought on like normal. That wasn't even remotely close to the case. Doesn't matter though, your view is clear and fine with me on the power question.
     
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  8. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Duran KO'ed Cuevas, he KO'ed Moore at 154, he badly hurt and dropped monster sized Iran Barkley at 160 plus .. Duran also had only a few fights at 147 before moving up .. He also barely trained for many of these fights .. to Leonard's credit he never showed up in less than top condition .. I'd say they were very close in power at 147 ..
     
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  9. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah. All Roberto Duran did was BEAT Leonard. No biggie.
     
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  10. PernellSweetPea

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    Probably Leonard. He was a hard puncher at welterweight.. Duran was a good puncher, but so much slower.
     
  11. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Duran's explanation was he never trained for the fights he lost. That came out after he lost.
     
  12. JohnThomas1

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    He did?
     
  13. he grant

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    He also hardly trained for many , many fights he won .. his poor training is well documented. He just paid the price more as he got older and moved up in weight ..
     
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  14. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I meant Cuevas, my bad
     
  15. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Leonard. Duran did not have the same power as he moved up in weight. He was a hard puncher at lightweight though