Who had more skill? Joe Louis or Wlad Klitschko?

Was his clinching as good as Jack Johnson's?

 

Its about even .

Louis put punches together better but Wlad had better technique all around minus body punching. One has to remember Louis wore little gloves to and weighed 200 in his prime , not exactly a fair comparison since Wlad was 240 at his peak which really is another weight class where lighter guys do punch a little more fluidly.

If I added footwork and defense Wlad gets the nod. Wlad is extremely underatted ,I guess another 20 years around here maybe he'll get a little more credit? Maybe. He may be coming back as well so??????

 

Constantly hugging and back humping was done to compensate for a chronic skill deficiency in certain area's. Wlad didn't fight in close quarters because he couldn't. No more to it than that

 

What legal defense did Wlad have apart from frantically waving his arms about in the air? Fury rightfully stated on the Joe Rogan podcast that Wlad had no defense at all. Thats why he had to resort to constantly jumping down on guys backs.

A one dimensional guy simply can't be on even terms with a multi dimensional guy. Learn the sport fartman. Aren't you the guy who claimed Karl Milenburger folded Ali in half with a body shot??

 

Did Wlado get to grapple the equivalent of Tommy Burns or Ketchel?

 

Might as well been half the time.

 

Byrd.

 

he was extremely underrated getting koed by bums serially that wouldnt figure on anyone elses "title reign"

give me a break. wlad is bottom end of the atg list if hes ever on it. Louis is top.

 

Clinching isn't a tactic to be commended in any way. . I just wanted to expose your double standards but i thought you'd have the foresight to avoid the question.
But while im here , Johnson was by far a better clincher since he fought in and out of the clinch , like you are supposed to.

Opening up and fighting in the clinch gives the opponent more opportunities to connect , but Wlads opponents didn't get that opportunity because his octopus grab was designed to shut down all offence in close , including his own.

Wlads grabbing tactics were an act of cowardice and he committed them to disguise and compensate for glaring weaknesses . We grade guys for being skillful boxers , not skillful cheaters.

 

Louis could have been 100 when he lost a figth, and you would not make any allowance for it!

Can you name any light heavyweight who was successful at world level without some sort of inside game?

His opponents were either good fighters who he had some sort of physical advantage over, or mediocre ones who he did not have some sort of size advantage over.

Yes a large portion of his success was down to being big.

Not especially, but even if we accept the example of Bob Foster, he clearly had a significant height and reach advantage over most of his opponents.

Take away that, and Wlad is not particularly good.

If Wlad had been the size of Louis, then some of Louis's opponents would have clowned him.

Being very good at doing one thing, that relies very heavily on having physical advantages, does not make you a technically complete fighter.

It just makes you very good at doing one thing!

It is based on results, and even if it wasn't, it would just be an opinion.

 

Measures were taken to prevent Ali from holding the back of Fraziers head in the rubber match. Even the Filipino government got involved to make sure it would be a clean fight.
The result was one of the greatest bouts of all time in which Ali won. That and allowing Foreman to punch himself out on his body and head are some of the reasons that separate Ali from Wlad.

Imagine Wlad laying on the ropes and letting Foreman tee off on him. He would last seconds , never mind rounds.

What measures were taken to prevent Wlad from ocapussing Peter second time around ? He committed worse illegal clinching for the rematch and to make matters worse , Peters was shot to bits.
One guy was holding Joe Frazier , the other was holding Sam Peter.. See the difference here?

Finally , Wlad would never have fought a rematch with Povetkin if measures were in place to ensure he wasn't allowed use a single back hump or octopus grab. Ali fought 3 Frazier fights. Wlad took his cheat win over Povetkin and ran.