Who had superior head movement? Canzoneri or Armstrong?

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  1. Swarmer

    Swarmer Patrick Full Member

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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhduRmOjwOg[/ame]
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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVcfGgFAln8&feature=related[/ame]

    For me they are two of the best i've ever seen at this skill. Armstrong's prowess here stands out more because of his general style... Bobbing and weaving to make people miss and when they do connect, rolling properly with a blow and firing back twice as hard. but man, Canzi deserves a lot of props here, his slips and rolls are so economical, look at 3:01 of the video i posted, those are some scary muhammad ali/terrell type moves in there. He slips punches by a hair.

    What do you think?
     
  2. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think you summarized it well enough. Armstrong has the superior upperbody movement overall (including head movement) but purely headmovement I think Canzi was slightly better. When you watch the Ambers fight, KO3, you see him slip punches by such a close margin ... I had to stop the film to see that he actually avoided them. Just incredible.
     
  3. Swarmer

    Swarmer Patrick Full Member

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    I would say even that is debatable. Armstrong's not as good as swaying his upperbody like Canzi is or using his shoulders to block IMO, and if i'm being honest i think his mastery of the actual range is better by a noticeable bit. He counters faster and sharper as a result Armstrong makes up for it by being a ****ing machine and neutralizing guys up close with his inside game and getting his way inside, but sometimes it looks to me like Tony could fight it out whereever he chose, really.
     
  4. natonic

    natonic Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I voted Canzoneri. I think Canzoneri was more reflexive with his head movement, while Armstong was more systematic (like Frazier) if that makes sense. I think Armstrong was a little easier to time. The problem with Armstrong was that, like you said, he was a machine and you didn't have much time to hang out and pick him off.
    Coincidentally, I just watched clips of Canzoneri - Ambers last night. Brilliant stuff.
     
  5. Vic-JofreBRASIL

    Vic-JofreBRASIL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yeah...I voted Canzo, I agree 100% with you Nat.....