You're picking on Carl. He was a great fighter, Robinson just had his number. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nzCPUhIpSU&feature=youtube_gdata_player"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nzCPUhIpSU&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/ame] [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCFzEPwnwtY&feature=youtube_gdata_player"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCFzEPwnwtY&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/ame]
I didn't say he wasn't :cus! Robinson just beat the **** out of him. FWIW - Robinson's KOs over Lamotta and Fullmer alone should give him consideration for hitting harder at 160. I've championed this constantly :-(
Robinson's KO's in general should give him consideration as the #1 puncher of all-time if it's taken into consideration who you actually stopped. Not only are there several greats, hall of famers and numerous contenders, but some of them were partly known for getting stopped being filed under: Utter Rarity.
Loses points overall though for being unable to dent Gavs even though little Basilio and lightweight Williams made him lick the canvas. I still have him top 10 though :good
Neither of them hurt him, it had far more to do with balance than anything. :yep He had like 5 lbs on Williams who incidentally is a renowned puncher in his own right. Stop acting like Gavilan came in a 147 thoroughbred against little old Ike, who was peaking and stout as a mother****er. LaMotta TKO13 Fullmer KO5 Zivic TKO10 Olson (x3) KO12, KO2, KO4 Turpin TKO10 Graziano KO3 Belloise TKO7 Villemain TKO9 Basora KO1 Costner (x2) KO1, KO1 Rindone (x2) TKO6, KO6 Jannazzo (x2) KO8, TKO2 Shapiro KO3 McDaniels TKO2 Doyle TKO8 To name a few off the top.
Akin to saying, Michael Jordan was a Top 10 worthy shooting guard. However the **** you wanna make it, son. :nono Wot Hand you want? Moving backwards or forward? This content is protected This content is protected This content is protected :hat
Ray had everything else going for him. Iron chin, lightning hands, power, angles, combos. The hardest punchers had nothing but to see them through, most of the time. :scaredas:
All instrumental to being a truly elite puncher, que no? As well as timing, accuracy, leverage, punch selection.. And his murderous body assault. Do you think Louis is routinely touted as one of the greatest punchers for power alone? Do you see why I dont think Shavers is worthy of holding Tyson's jockstrap, either? Separate ways of looking at it, I suppose.
Usually the question is P4P hardest puncher. Ray could maneuver and had the technique to use their force against them, leading them into a KO punch and throw crazy combo's to **** worlds up. Other boxers it's all they had a lot of the time, cold cocking guys because it's all they COULD too. I rate them on a combination of both actually. And it's why bruisers like Foreman/Jackson and punching whiz's like Robinson/Moore made my top 10.
Well yeah, Power is definitely the constant and at the forefront, but I tend to take the 'hardest' out and just look at it from an overall puncher perspective. Power is a prerequisite. And since it is, I also rate George, Earnie et al. too, but just below a few others.