Who had the best chin out of Greb, Hagler, Monzon?

There's no film mate.

 

I know brother....
Maybe he's Methusala.....

 

Hi Buddy.
From memory a slightly foggy one, think he had his arm broken in a fight with Kid Graves, and rightly had to retire, sure if you were to look it up there will be more clarity, don't think I have read he was ever counted over !!
stay safe Jel, chat soon.

 

He was knocked out in an earlier fight.

 

Hi Buddy.
I stand corrected.

 

Even then details can be..........cloudy.

 

Sometimes it's as simple as opponents faced.
When one looks at Hagler's record it contains a plethora of noted big punchers .
From early on in his career to the very end.
Ray Seales ( Who was seen as a potential Middleweight champ, Hagler was the 1st man to beat him in the pro's)
Eugene Hart, Bennie Briscoe, Bobby Watts x2 , Alan Minter, Don Lee, Tony Sibson, Fuli Obeijemas, Juan Roldan, Thomas Hearns , John Mugabi.
Everyone of those men were seen as very good to deadly punchers.
Everyone of those men looked like middleweights, and not like blown up welters.
All landed at least one substantial punch on Hagler ( Maybe not Lee)
And when they did it only seemed to **** Hagler off.
Monzon's hardest hitting opponents were Briscoe ( by some accounts actually beat Monzon and had him badly hurt in his home country)
And Valdes who legitimately dropped him. Though Monzon beat him twice. The rest of his best opponents were natural welterweights or llight punchers.
Hagler beat the harder punchers and better opponents overall.
Greb? I have no idea. I know what I've read and studied. But without actually seeing his opponents I'd be making a wild ass guess.
So , yes he may have faced a few heavyweights, but were those heavys putting leverage on their punches, or were they arm punching?

 

And Hagler was knocked down by Juan Roldan, fair is fair. So all three have tasted the canvas, good enough, we are not licensed boxing officials to rule on knockdowns anyway.

 

But Hagler beat a past his prime Bennie Briscoe in August 1978, Monzon beat a prime Briscoe on Nov 11 1972 in defense of his title.

 

Fair is fair for what exactly? Good enough for what? I'm lost. Monzon was reeling against Briscoe, we've never seen Hagler reeling ever. Hagler's chin was insane and his reputation for durability exceeds Monzons.

 

That's true. I wouldn't dispute that at all.
If I did. It would be disingenuous....

 

Did Hagler retire as champion? No, he lost to Sugar Ray Leonard on April 6 1987, it was an official loss. Juan Roldan knocked him down officially. Yeah Carlos Monzon was staggered by a prime Bennie Briscoe in round nine on Nov 11 1972, but King Carlos showed resilience in weathering the storm without hitting the canvas. Hagler beat a worn out past his prime Briscoe in August 1978 on points. You are not a boxing official to rule on Hagler's knockdown, it still stands, Leonard's victory still stands in the boxing records. Carlos Monzon was knocked down by Rodrigo Valdes on July 30 1977 on live television from Monte Carlo, Monaco, it was his last and 14th title defense, he got up, punished Valdes for the remainder of the 15 round contest and won. Carlos then retired as World Middleweight Champion on August 29 1977. Hagler having the better competition is debatable, it depends on ones taste, Hagler fought in the U.S while coming up as a contender, Monzon fought primarily in Argentina, South America as a contender, his fights against imported Americans has been documented. As champion, Monzon fought the best challengers that were available at the time of his title reign from 1970-1977, a champion cannot defend their titles against fighters from the future or past. Monzon defended his title until approximately 1 week before his 35th birthday, so this excuse thing of Hagler being past his prime in his loss to Leonard can't be used. As for Monzon being knocked down by others is here say . I saw the interview on a Spanish television station with his trainer Amilcar Brusa, who said before the second Valdes title bout that his fighter had never been knocked down in his career, then right after the interview, Valdes knocked Monzon down.

 

None of that has anything to do with what we were discussing Rich as someone else noted previously.

Take a breath old mate there's no shame coming second to Hagler in the durability stakes, none at all.

 

Hagler was nothing but a crybaby champion, if nothing went his way he whined, it was everybody's fault not his. The two examples were the first fight with Vito Antuofermo on Nov 30 1979, it was a 15 round draw, and his loss of his title to Sugar Ray Leonard. A cold day in hell before I rank Hagler over King Carlos Monzon, who retired as World Middleweight Champion after 14 title defenses, a 7 year reign as champion, and an 82 bout unbeaten streak dating back to Oct 9 1964. What's this? Hagler was beaten by Sugar Ray Leonard on April 6 1987, did not retire as champion. Wah, he pouted into retirement, failed as an actor. Ha Ha Ha.