Who had the better CAREER: Froch or Golovkin?!

I'm pretty sure I'm older than you, and you have been here just as long as I have and have about the same daily post average. FURTHER proof you're projecting.

 

Jesus... go get a life in the real world ASSOL.... You've spent near 20 years on this board... No wonder you are so ****ed up!

 

Offense none taken my good chap. I emerged from a generation called X.

 

I've been here 16 years, you've been here 14. You're funny Lance.

 

And now following around like a lost lap dog, BEGGING for attention... What a great life you lead ASSOL!

 

You keep on talking to me Lance, I'm simply responding to your bull**** at this point. You don't like, don't invoke me.

 

I meant in the eyes of the general public and boxing fans, not in the squinting eager eyes of those who have just taken another fresh batch of Canelo juice to the face.

 

The only thing that matters is the official score in this case. The fight was way too close.

 

Once again i will double check the ai in future
agree to diss agree on clen boy and others
all still boxing fans

 

Second time round lower than the first
Both still lean towards ggg which ever argument from either fight you take

 

And that's more than half your life loser!!

 

OK,this is the first time I have ever had to split a post into two because it is more than 10,000 character. But here goes...

1/2

The lack of self-awareness in this paragraph is shocking given the nonsense that follows it. Read the response of HerolGee to my previous post. That is how a rational and logical fan responds, not the way you do. I'm not sure how old you are (I'm guessing not out of your teens). But you will learn in time.

This thread isn't about Canelo and I also have respect for him. This is about Golovkin and Froch. You've somehow managed to turn it into a Canelo thread with your blatant c*cksucking. So well done for that. Hijacking a whole thread is an accomplishment to be proud of.

Imagine Riddick Bowe (for example) had fought Lewis, Tyson, Moorer, Foreman, Ruddock and Mercer. Just as a random example. He might have been the greatest of all time. We can all play what-ifs and lets-pretends. Anyone who has made a serious effort to fight triple G as opposed to a token twitter soundbite or two has got the fight. With the exception of Ward, who just wanted the deck stacked too far in his favour, as is his wont.

I'm not even going to bother responding to this as it is simply an off-topic rant, which isn't really anything to do with the point I was originally making but goes to prove what I said in the first paragraph.

Canelo isn't the point of this thread, so again I am not sure why you are trying to turn him into it. I really haven't got anything else to what I said previously. If a fighter REALLY wants to fight GGG or anyone else, the way to go about it is to pick up the phone. Not post a load of nonsense on twitter or in an interview with some website in an attempt to raise your own profile.

I'll say it again, pick up the phone and start a bloody negotiation. Open a dialogue. If you really are interested in the fight and not just coming out with token soundbites. Don't talk sh*t on Spanish language twitter, which the fighter doesn't speak, understand or read. Don't give interviews to minor boxing websites. Pick up the phone and have a conversation. All this nonsense about A-sides and B-sides has only really come about since Mayweather's last few years. Regardless of who has negotiating power, anyone can start a conversation.

There really is nothing else to add to the above. It's not really a difficult concept to understand. But trying to explain it to you seems to be like trying to teach a cat to do the salsa.

 

2/2

This is just self-merkage in the extreme. The article which you have posted in 'evidence' of your point (in addition to being an interview with a fighter, which can hardly be taken as straight, impartial evidence) states the following:


'Lara, 32, hasn’t helped his career by staying at 154 for so long. He rehydrates to the 170s like Canelo does, so there’s no excuse for Lara not to be fighting in the middleweight division where he could possibly make more money. The only trouble with Lara fighting at middleweight is the risks involved for him. The guys are bigger and stronger than the mediocre fighters that Lara has been fighting in the junior middleweight division, and he might not be able to excel in the same manner. However, if Lara wants the bigger fights against guys like Golovkin, then he’s going to need move up soon before Lara ages out.'


Golovkin wants to fight the top fighters in the 160lb division like Peter Quillin, Saul “Canelo” Alvarez, Miguel Cotto and Daniel Jacobs, but thus far, he’s had no luck in getting any of them to fight. Those fighters, by the way, aren’t mobile guys. Austin Trout would find out that the mobile fighters at 160 are not doing so well. It’s the guys with punching power that are the top dogs in the middleweight division.


I don’t think Golovkin would be too worried about fighting likes of the southpaw Trout (30-2, 17 KOs), who doesn’t have much punching power and was beaten by Saul “Canelo” Alvarez and Lara in 2013. Trout has since won his last four fights, albeit against weak opposition. Trout has not looked good since his loss to Canelo.


I think that says it better than I ever could. As I stated in my last post, three years since this article of yours was published, neither Trout nor Lara have set foot in the middleweight class (unless you count the Caneloweight ventures at 155). So it's very difficult to take seriously any claim that either of them had any serious aspirations to do so at the time. Not that I blame them, after seeing what happened to a similar level junior middleweight in Vanes Martirovsyan.

I only deal in the facts. The facts are that Ward fights 'everyone' as long as he has absolutely everything stacked in his favour. Which for some amazing reason, seems to have happened all through his career. Every super 6 fight at home, allowed to get away with murder by headbutt against Kessler, dragging Dawson down to 168 and Paul Smith, a British level journeyman, up to a catchweight. Let's not even start on the Kovalev fights.


Against Golovkin, who has globetrotted about ten nations fighting on obscure shows to get where he is rather than being handed everything on a plate, the less popular Ward, who would have had home advantage anyway, demanded a 50/50 purse split. The response was: OK, well let's have a 50/50 split on weight as well. Team Ward then immediately walked away. Of course loaded Dice Ward fought Kovalev, because as usual he got the dice stacked in his favour. Kovalev regretted it afterwards, asking for neutral officials for the rematch (a request which Ward, surprise, surprise, refused). However, by then, it was too late - Ward had been gifted his belts and could hold him to ransom.

Two fighters in trying to make the best possible deal for themselves shocker. Just like the Ward fight. Except both GGG and Canelo eventually realised they had to compromise a bit. Ward doesn't know the meaning of the word.

The IBF stripped Golovkin because 'a deal had not been done' by the date they had specified. None of which means that either fighter refused the other. The truth was that the GGG-Canelo rematch was already in the works, which is evidenced by it's actually happening. Fighting Derev in August would have made that fight in September impossible. If the boot was on the other foot, you'd be quick enough to accuse him of ducking the Canelo rematch.

Canelo I instead. The biggest fight in boxing.

Seriously, how old are you? Because you sound like some 15-year-old wannabe gangster. But the above rant has once again proved the comment I made first up. Your whole post is just one massive Pot/kettle moment.


To summarise again.


Lara & Trout - neither were serious about setting foot in the middleweight division, let alone fighting Golovkin as has been evidenced by their actions since. It's not as though these Vanes-level fighters are exactly must-sees anyway, particularly Trout who is simply a 'good effort' loser against top level fighters.


No fighter has any right to expect a catchweight for a world title bout. If you want an opportunity to call yourself the world champion at a weight then you need to show the stones to fight at the championship weight.


Your comments re: Martirovsyan are nonsense. Golovkin was stripped of the IBF a month after that fight (on 6 June, the fight having taken place on 5 May), which was hastily arranged on three weeks notice after Canelo tested positive for drugs. This was because the Derevyanchenko fight, which they had asked to take place by August 3 had not been agreed in writing. In reality, this was because negotiations for Canelo II, having previously stalled, were now back in full swing and GGG had bigger fish to fry.


Charlo comments - I will reiterate my previous, there has been no time when this fight was realistic to take place, given GGG's commitments with Jacobs and Alvarez. Personally, I would rather see him take on Charlo snr, i.e. Matvey Korobov, in any case.


I'm quite sure you'll come out with a fifty paragraph essay in lieu of doing your maths homework. If it makes you feel better then feel free. I won't be reading it, much less replying to it. We've both made the same points more than once and going round in circles is pointless.


Sleep well.

 

"Lack of self awareness", "Shocking", "nonsense", How old are you", You will learn". Hyperbole much? This shows me you're not interested in a real debate but I'll still give it a go.

Well you shouldn't have brought Canelo up if you didn't want to talk about him. It was you that mentioned him for whatever reason, and now you're complaining because I responded to your comment about Canelo. I think you're the one lacking self-awareness. Here's the quote below.

What part of he Golovkin swerved Jermall Charlo, Sergeyi Derevyenchenko, Andre Ward are you having a hard time with?
-GGGs team flat out said NO to Charlo. Reason, he's not popular enough.
-GGGs team decided to get stripped rather than to fulfill his mandatory with Derevyenchenko. He fought Vanes Martirosyan instead.
-GGG refused to make a fair deal with Ward simply bevcause he imagined he was worth more than Ward. Ward has never ducked a fighter nor does he have the rep of ducking fighters, GGG has and does have a rep of avoiding fighters, so benefit to Ward, especially since Ward moved up to fight Lt HW king Sergey Kovalev, while GGG fought Welterweight Kell Brook.
-GGG also ignored Lara and Trout. I already gave you at least five dates where Lara is practically begging for the fight.

I never heard Vanes, Brook, Rubio, Rosado, or any of the lower tier fighters he liked feasting on even asking for the fight, yet they still got it. Why do you defend GGGs every move? That reeks of fanboyism.

LMAO, YOU my friend are the one who brought this topic up in the first place, not me lol. See the red highlighted quote above for reference. GTFO with your BS. Like I asked before, if you want to debate, just be REAL.

So you're blaming GGGs legacy or lack of on B side fighters not drafting contracts and sending them to GGG or not calling GGGs team directly to make fights happen? lol.

You're a lightweight debater bro.