Who had the better win over Ali

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  1. KO KIDD

    KO KIDD Loyal Member Full Member

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    Frazier:

    positives

    did it vs a younger Ali, an udefeated Ali, did it to gain respect as the true champion, and it was the fight of the century

    negatives

    Ali was off the lay off maybe still working the rust off a little

    incredible feat

    knocked Ali down

    Norton:

    positives

    won very clearly, beat an Ali who had been active and was hungry after Frazier, beat an Ali who was well past the lay off and was at his best since the lay off

    negatives

    didnt do it first

    incredible feat broke Alis jaw
     
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  2. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Frazier.
     
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  3. Jorodz

    Jorodz watching Gatti Ward 1... Full Member

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    agreed. and ali was clearly a bit sloppy and out of shape in that first fight. shouldn't really matter, that was his choice but to a degree it affects the win. i personally thought ali clearly took the second fight (close but clear) leading me to think, despite the stylistic challenges he presents, norton always is a step below a motivated ali.

    frazier took a young, fitter, closer to prime ali in a war in which both men put EVERYTHING on the line.
     
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  4. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    vs Norton Ali came in with a broken hand , was older and somewhat more worn. So Frazier.
     
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  5. Goyourownway

    Goyourownway Insanity enthusiast Full Member

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    Norton.Beat him more convincingly and did it against a fighter that was probably on the best run of his entire life.Never beaten decisively over the course of the three fights,either.
     
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  6. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    Hmm, a clear win against a man in his prime vs. a dubious one against a past-it version. What a conundrum.
     
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  7. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Frazier, because there was no template for how to do it.

    Anybody who came after him was at an advantage both tacticaly and psychologicaly.
     
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  8. Vince Voltage

    Vince Voltage Boxing Addict Full Member

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    itrymariti, why was Norton's win "dubious"? He won it clearly, and I don't buy that Ali had a broken hand at all.
     
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  9. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Ali underestimated Norton somewhat, Frazier he was in better shape for and younger
     
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  10. tony mush

    tony mush Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    smoking joe
     
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  11. clark

    clark Well-Known Member Full Member

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    For the first fight with Norton, Ali was completely disinterested. He took Norton VERY lightly. He took Frazier very seriously and was in incredible shape and fought
    great. The Ali who showed up for Frazier in '71 would have beaten Norton
    without question.
     
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  12. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Two different types wins.

    Frazier beat Ali in the trenches.

    Norton neutralized Ali and out thought him.
     
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  13. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    With all due respect to Ken, his win over Ali isn't even on the same planet as Joe's.

    Hell, it's closer to the same galaxy as Larry's.
     
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  14. james5000

    james5000 2010's poster of the decade Full Member

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    Facts

    He was 29 when Frazier beat him and 31 when Norton beat him

    He whipped Frazier twice and Knocked out Foreman AFTER he lost to Norton

    He never dominated Norton but he KO'ed Frazier
     
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  15. james5000

    james5000 2010's poster of the decade Full Member

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    Both are good victories, but stylistically Norton matches up better with Ali than Frazier does. He may not be a better fighter but his results against Ali are on paper better, (They weren't better to watch mind you)
     
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