Who had the greatest win over Oscar?

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Who had the most impressive win over Oscar?

  1. Trinidad

    4.1%
  2. Mosley

    71.4%
  3. Hopkins

    8.2%
  4. Mayweather

    4.1%
  5. Pacquiao

    12.2%
  1. PRW94

    PRW94 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I guess it’s showing my heavyweight centric mindset by when I saw this thread immediately assuming Bonavena and being about ready to say Floyd Patterson. :) :)
     
  2. JackSilver

    JackSilver Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hopkins showed how a middleweight deals with a top lower weight fighter
     
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  3. Terror

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    Going in I clearly felt Mayweather would outbox an old lacking motivation Oscar who was just trying to stay in the limelight and continue to launch his promotional company. I thought it would be a clinic and the talks of size would be overblown. The quality of Oscar's tune up told me everything, a blown-up lightweight in Steve Forbes who people only knew off of The Contender. that showed me Oscar just wanted to catch headlines to promote a superfight, not prepare seriously to fight the best boxer in the world. Mayweather opened up at -250 as well.

    Oscar's performance used to be considered pretty middling, but opinion has improved over the years. I find it overrated--a lot of show flurries that didn't accomplish much and a lot of attempted physicality which didn't pay dividends. I had it 8-4 Mayweather and I felt if FMJ stepped up the activity he could have won wider. 7-5 Mayweather was always very charitable to meaningless body flurries that drew a crowd reaction, but really, those entire sequences would be negated by Mayweather's crisp work every time.
     
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  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I would argue you got that pretty wrong then.

    It's true that Mayweather was opened as a favourite going in, but google tells me "Mayweather’s tightest boxing odds down the stretch of his career came when he fought Oscar De La Hoya on Cinco de Mayo in 2007." If odds matter (they don't to me) that should matter too.

    Most imporantly, Oscar was the favourite by fight time - Oscar was the favourite to win this fight.

    It definitely wasn't the case here or on MyBoxingForum where the main question was about why Oscar hadn't closed after such a great start. Oscar himself didn't help with that with his "It wasn't the night of the jab" answer to the question as to why he hadn't thrown the jab in the second half of the fight because it won him the first half - and it is fair to say there were a number of conspiracy theories floating around as to how this should be explaind - in other words people considered that maybe the fight had been fixed. I'm sure wherever you read about boxing his performance was considered middling, but on the boxing forums it was seen as excellent and a missed opportunity in the second half of the fight.
     
  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    There was a thread where we'd counted all the Oscar jabs but i'm ****ed if i can find it.
     
  6. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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  7. jont

    jont Active Member Full Member

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    Ike Quartey.....
     
  8. apollack

    apollack Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Technically Trinidad, if you want to call that a win. Officially he did, but very few think he actually won.

    Mosley was the best fight, and well deserved at the time, but in hindsight, I have some reservations about calling that a true win, or impressive, given that it was revealed that Mosley was a Balco client, and was cheating. Without that help, not sure he wins either fight. Many question the second bout.

    Hopkins I discount because Oscar, a blown up lightweight to begin with, never was a good middleweight.

    Mayweather barely eeked or drew with an over the hill past-it Oscar.

    PAC beat up an utterly shot Oscar. Who knows if Pac had extra help.
     
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  9. Rubber Glove Sandwich

    Rubber Glove Sandwich 'Iranian flag green' reflecting pool Full Member

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    Pacquiao's win is getting more votes than I expected.
     
  10. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Mosley probably clearly beat the best version, so he seems like a good call
     
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  11. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Maybe should have voted for him, I think that performance gets underrated. Voted Mosley, though
     
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  12. Bokaj

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    He was the same weight in the ring as for the weigh-in, so that shouldn't have been the problem.
     
  13. Bokaj

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    Lasted longer than Hatton, though, and didn't do much worse than Cotto did.

    Not prime Oscar, of course, but the main factor was just how good Pac was at this time imo.
     
  14. Dynamicpuncher

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    ODLH hadn't fought at Welterweight for a decade though can you remember any example of a fighter moving back down a weightclass 10 years later and being successful ?
     
  15. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I can't remember any other tries after that long, so by default, no.

    Edit: SRL against Norris would be the one after closer thought, but I don't think even Leonard himself claimed that weight was the problem.

    The LHW champions of the 50''s regularly moved back down, though.