Who has a better chance in their rematch: Canelo or Kambosos

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  1. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well he came a hell of a lot closer against Bivol than Kambosos did against Haney. Canelo has a better argument to winning 5 rounds on Bivol than George had against Haney. If we're honest, Canelo has an argument to winning 5 rounds on Bivol, even if 4 of those were close. George doesn't really have an argument to winning more than 2 or 3 rounds. But as I said, George has at least a punchers chance against Haney, he actually hurt him and dropped him despite being dominated.
     
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  2. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Oh my god STFU shadow. Bivol can absolutely outslick, outbox, outdefend, and physically out-damage Canelo for all 12 rounds but if the judges score it for Canelo you'd make up some asinine reason out of thin air about how Canelo earned the win and how Bivol didn't get robbed.

    You're a delusional fanboy, you cannot be trusted, and you've lost all credit for your crimes against the boxing forum

    Such a stupid man. It's strange how someone can have so much Canelo dick in their mouth
     
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  3. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Canelo is a far better fighter than George, he has a better skill set and ability to find ways to win. He has far better defense than George, is a much better puncher. Canelo's just a more proven commodity than George. It's easier to believe that he can find a way to win in a rematch even against a tougher opponent. Haney though is more vulnerable than Bivol, so George might be able to hurt him again and get a stoppage if he lands a well timed shot, than Canelo who while a bigger puncher than George, Bivol is far more difficult to hurt than Haney so it's pretty much a wash. Haney will be a much bigger favorite in a rematch vs George than Bivol will be in a rematch with Canelo due to the margin of victory.
     
  4. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This kind of stuff don't work on me. I'm just telling you how it is, if you don't like what I'm saying, then so be it. You know full well Canelo defends better than George, and it's harder to land on him clean, which allows him to win rounds with flashy power shots, unlike George. But again, George showed he can hurt Haney, so there's that. I can't see Canelo dropping Bivol. BTW did you agree that it should have been a KD in the 9th? HTF did the ref rule that a slip? Haney was clearly hurt by that shot.
     
  5. drenlou

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    Oh i dont disagree, but Bivol is no Haney. Bivol is a more complete fighter and all around more technically sound. Kambosos is a good fighter but hes not an elite talent. Still, imo both get beat pretty decisive in the rematch.
     
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  6. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yeah that's why I said it's pretty much a wash. But it's easier to believe that Canelo could find a way to win a decision against Bivol if he doesn't gas than George winning a decision on Haney. George's only real chance would seem to be to hurt Haney and force a stoppage unless he learns how to defend against the jab which I'm not sure he's capable of doing.
     
  7. drenlou

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    Canelo is a p4p elite talent, but i wouldnt bet on him against Bivol in the rematch. Kambosos was always just a one hit wonder.
     
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  8. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I wouldn't bet on him either against Bivol. FYI I favored Bivol against Canelo last month before the fight, I knew Bivol had a good chance to win a decision. I wouldn't favor Canelo in a rematch but I wouldn't count him out either. If he doesn't gas, if he paces himself better he's got a shot. Kambosos doesn't have good enough defense to block or avoid the jab like Canelo, to keep him in rounds.
     
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  9. exocet76

    exocet76 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I know you are talking complete bollocks. Canelo does not have ANY argument for 5 rounds.
    It was closer to a shutout than nearly being a draw.
    You gave up Shadow on debating even the first round. you were unable to go further because it's a position that cannot be defended.
    Canelo was schooled.
     
  10. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You also thought I was talking complete bollocks when I was scoring shoulder shots. You were wrong about me then and you're wrong about me now. You tried to lecture me about how you knew so much abut what kind of shots could be scored, you acted like an expert on scoring only to come out of that looking like a fool. Don't make that same mistake of underestimating me again. You were the one talking "complete bollocks" when you said that shoulder shots couldn't be scored. You don't like my talk because it strikes a chord and goes against your views which differ. The shoulder shot scoring incident really sticks in your craw because you were systematically and thoroughly proven wrong which was damaging to your credibility and cements my credibility as knowing what I'm talking about.

    I didn't give up on the 1st round, I am more than happy to go through the first 2 minutes. The final minute was covered thoroughly. In that final minute, you learned something, you learned that shoulder shots are scoring shots. The problem was that even after you and others who disagreed with me were proven wrong, about shoulder shots or on other punches, there was still a significantly level of denial over whether shots landed, or when you conceded that they landed, how well they landed or if they may have been blocked became your secondary argument. That was classic moving the goalposts, when being proved wrong, then switch to another aspect of it.

    The petty bickering is getting old at this point. You live in your world where Bivol schooled Canelo and won practically every round and I live in the real world where it was scored 115-113 and 5 of those rounds were scored for Canelo. You are not interested in comprehending why the judges gave him 5 rounds, it has to do with Bivol not landing clean and Canelo landing the heavier, more effective and more flashy eye catching shots. Your issues with the judges aside, whether you accept it or not, that's the unequivocal truth about how that happened. Bickering with me about it won't help you.
     
  11. African Cobra

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    Neither as both will lose but Canelo might get stopped for the first time in his career.
     
  12. Bustajay

    Bustajay Feel the Steel/Balls Deep Full Member

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    Well unlike Kambo at least Canelo won 2 clear rounds on my card where I only gave Kamb one round
     
  13. Bustajay

    Bustajay Feel the Steel/Balls Deep Full Member

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    Right
    The judges set Canelo up with the win two rounds get three rounds FREE
     
  14. Jab in the Face

    Jab in the Face Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Canelo has turned his back on revenge for a what is seen as a prime for the picking GGG which should tell you he doubts himself.
     
  15. exocet76

    exocet76 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    A broken clock is right twice a day shadow.....also you were trying to count arm punches as well so there is that....
    It didn't change the outcome though did it?
    It was you still getting ragdolled for the other 70+ pages before giving up on your sunken cost fallacy.
    If you're observant you would have noticed in my above comment that I clearly say that it was closer to a shutout than a draw...
    Which it was as I only gava Canelo a single round and that was me being generous to a fault.
    Also I clearly do comprehend how the judges gave Canelo 5 ounds......it's called corruption and Canelo fights have a well established history of the same.