Who has a better chance in their rematch: Canelo or Kambosos

Canelo landed a couple flush uppercuts in the first fight. It didn't change anything.

 

Shoulders are part of the scoring zone :

https://www.abcboxing.com/ring-officials-certification-program/

Every judge should be aware of the scoring zone. The method for establishing the scoring zone starts at the top center of the head, down to and including the shoulders to the naval and hipbones.

In most cases the arms are considered defensive weapons. However, judges must take into consideration the shoulders of a boxer as being in the scoring zone.

 

Canelo

 

No mention of 'Bicep Bombs'.......

 

Canelo for the simple fact we have seen him get beneficial scorecards before.

 

Bicep Bombs target the shoulder/bicep area, rather than being used for blocking as a defensive weapon.

 

Your ass took the first part out of context. It's to draw an area for the scoring zone, it doesn't specifically mention shoulders as scoring, only as consideration in some instances. Learn to how to read. And if the shoulder is consider a scoring punch, it's very minimal, like when the final punch being on the shoulder during a KD.

Second, the shoulder is used for defense, which what Bivol used for so it's not considered a scoring punch in that context. Canelo also landed punches on Bivol's bicep... that's not the shoulder. Didn't you learn that when the teacher ask you to sing "Head, shoulder, knees & toes"?

You are really making an ass of yourself.

 

Out of context? It states very clearly that the shoulders are part of the scoring zone, then reiterates that the shoulders are part of the scoring zone when considering arm punches. No where does it say that the shoulder is "very minimal" in terms of how it's scored, you just made that up.

As far as Bivol using the shoulder for defense, if you think this is using the shoulder as defense :

https://i.imgur.com/2Kecojp.jpeg

you need to have your head examined. Bivol's shoulder was targetted, compressed and judges are clearly instructed to score shots like that.

So Mr. "Head, shoulder, knees & toes", look at that screenshot, and tell me where that punch lands. Tell me that's not compressing the shoulder and you're the dumbass who doesn't know what the shoulder is. It connected squarely into the deltoid muscle, shoulder joint.

 

That is not fair to say. Canelo wasn’t to small to fight Kovalev so that excuse shouldn’t be used at all. Bivol defeating Canelo with pure skills not size. 175 is not his ideal weight but he’s fought there before and won so he’s fair game.

 

Kambosos has the better chance he just needs a better game plan and if he can land one bomb on Haney's fragile chin he could knock him out. I don't give Canelo a shot at hurting Bivol the only way he could win is by complete robbery.

 

"Every punch that Canelo threw, landed." - Shadow

 

Just admit it, you're a dumbass.

If the other fighter doesn't land anything and one guy land a few punches to the shoulder, then yes, those shoulder punches will mean something. If the other fighter is landing punches to the head and body of Canelo, those shoulder punches mean little to nothing. It's not a 1-1 trade off. If you think it is, you're a moron. You'd be hard pressed to find a judge would give a fighter the round if they land 10 punches to the shoulder while the other fighter lands a decent head shot. And most of Canelo's arm shots landed on the bicep, not the shoulder. One freeze frame mean ****.

In the Broner/Malignaggi fight, Pauli landed dozens of clean punches to Broner's shoulder. None of those shots had any effect on the scoring of rounds. You still can't accept the fact that Canelo got schooled badly and you're doubling down on being stupid.

 

The difference is that Canelo's shots to the shoulder/bicep had a lot more power than Malignaggi on Broner and did a lot more damage. Look at the bruising to Bivol's bicep that Canelo's shots caused. And he has a history of doing that, i.e. Callum Smith.

If some of Canelo's bicep shots hit bicep only and missed the shoulder, it's a grey area. It would be difficult for the judges to ignore that kind of work. Even if you don't score a shot per se that missed the shoulder but hit bicep only, which is hard to do given the size of the glove that would often catch at least some part of the shoulder with the glove, but if you argue it missed the scoring area of the shoulder, it can still be scored in the category of "effective aggression" so it still has an effect on who wins the round.

Nothing in the rules explicitly states that non-shoulder arm shots can't be scored, it only says that "in most cases" arms are considered defensive weapons. In some cases, like with shots that land to the upper arm, just below the shoulder, like bicep bombs, the arm is clearly a target and not a weapon in those cases. It's human nature for judges to count Canelo's eye catching shoulder/bicep shots. Either as a shot to the scoring area, or if it hits just below the shoulder, at the very least a part of "effective aggression".

As for the freeze frame, that clearly lands on the shoulder so punch in particularly is not a grey area, that's not an example of a shot that missed the shoulder.

 

So how did you score Mayweather/Maidana 1? I assume it's 10-2 Maidana, right? Since Maidana is such a strong puncher, and his intentional strong punches to Floyd's shoulder. That falls right into the category of "effective aggression".