Who has a better KOs, TKOs, & RTD ratio than Wilder?

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  1. OpinionOfACasual

    OpinionOfACasual Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Your whole argument was that Wilder has insane power purely off the basis that he has a high number of KO's on his record.....

    Knocking your opponent unconscious is classed as a TKO.

    So the argument that you have more power because you have more KO's than TKO's is seriously flawed.
     
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  2. OpinionOfACasual

    OpinionOfACasual Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    To put it simply.....

    KO - The ref gives the opponent a 10 count as he believes he's in a position to continue.

    TKO - The ref doesn't believe the opponent is in a position to continue, therefore, no 10 count.


    So you could argue that TKO's demonstrate more power than KO.
     
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  3. GlaukosTheHammer

    GlaukosTheHammer Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I dunno why you felt the need to reword it, at this point I'm holding your hand to help you make the connections you don't quite get to on your own.

    Anyway, that'd be true if most fights were called off on the first knockdown but they aren't are they? People get up up then get knocked out more often than not don't they? So, if you make one of your first KDs count a little more instead of waiting for late KDs to do the trick you have less chance of the ref stepping in.

    Plenty of fights have a three KD rule, don't pretend like you're not aware of it.
     
  4. chitownfightfan

    chitownfightfan Loyal Member Full Member

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    While a guy could get dropped, immediately waved off without a count and it's scoreda TKO even though the fighter is out for a min before regaining full consciousness.

    A ref decision to count out or stop a fight should not be a measured statistic, and hence, while both are recorded the same.
    To me, an RTD is equally impressive when a fighter is so dominated, he doesn't even believe a hail Mary would save him
     
  5. GlaukosTheHammer

    GlaukosTheHammer Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Could be and does are two entirely different things. I don't mean to be an ******* I just want clarification, did you mean that as an except to the rule or as challenge for what you're most likely to see?

    I agree with the RTDs. Some guys lights don't shut off even when they really ought to. Poor Magomed should have had a corner that cared enough for him to stop him, but had he just sat on his stool and admitted he was a beaten man that really would have been for the best. So when guys do that I tend to think of it as equal to putting a man to sleep with the exception of those exceptional chins. Like KO'ing Foreman would be probably be more impressive than getting him to quit.

    Lastly, **** I'm open to interpretation if you'd like to give it an honest go. Why would you say Marciano and Wilder carry a similar KO to TKO ratio? Most of what makes them similar is also true for other HWs and most of what makes them different is also true for other HWs. The only thing I see is the rarity to really put defense behind offense resulting in more powerful KOs but if you have an alternative I'd hear it. Anything short of that wouldn't be considering the full scope and just isolating what you take issue with.
     
  6. On The Money

    On The Money Dangerous Journeyman Full Member

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    Wilder's resume just doesn't stack up to much scrutiny. Journeymen and latterly fringe contenders that have all been ass whupped since.
     
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  7. BCS8

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    Absolutely.

    How many 0's has Wilder taken?

    W I L L I A M B E Z E R R A has taken at least 15!!!!!

    Now that's quality.
     
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  8. Farmboxer

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    Anyone can have a 100% knockout ration if they fights winos from the alley, like Wilder, but they would need Haymon to make that happen......................or WBC would not allow such crap, only for Haymon..............
     
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  9. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    who has fougth better opposition that Wilder?

    EVERYONE.
     
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  10. Guybino

    Guybino Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Im looking forward to when AJ (or possibly Ortiz) smash Wilder so we have no more ******ed threads like this one
     
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  11. chitownfightfan

    chitownfightfan Loyal Member Full Member

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    What I take exception to is the weight you are putting on the opinion of a ref.
    A TKOd fighter could literally be OUT for minutes...Grimsely v Thunder.
    Yet your OP lends higher credit to Chisora for his 10 ct win over Scott.

    Fighters are routinely given short counts, long counts etc, as many as get waved off without a count, even though they may not be getting up at all without assistance
     
  12. OpinionOfACasual

    OpinionOfACasual Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Just got off the phone and arranged 40 fights in the next 40 days to attempt to have a better 'KO, TKO and RTD' record than Wilder....all against the same opponent in order to match OP's belief that level of opposition is irrelevant.

    I'll be facing Freddie Roach, who, at the demands of VADA, will not be allowed his meds for the duration of this period.
     
  13. Gymbot

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    Yes it’s severely flawed and you can’t follow basic logic. You been proven wrong time and time again in this thread.

    Everything you have said is nonsense.
     
  14. Lith

    Lith Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Indeed, I watched a "KO highlights" video of Wilders the other day and a bit of commentary from one of the fights in 2009 there was pretty critical commentary saying basically "We expect this to be an early KO because yet again because for some reason Wilder keeps getting paired up with people who have losing records against extremely weak competition, hopefully he fights someone closer to his level soon."

    He was VERY active at the time, but fighting proven easy KO opponents and kept at that routine for a long time. Parker, Joshua and Ortiz all could have done the same - yet somehow Wilder and his fans criticize the other champs for god knows what reason. Kudos to Wilder for stepping up finally, this is his opportunity to prove himself to be as good as he says... or be heavily exposed.

    I look forward to finding out.
     
  15. Perkin Warbeck

    Perkin Warbeck Boxing aficionado Full Member

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    Wilder only KOs old, shot guys or chinny journeymen. He even avoided Kevin Johnson on the way up, because he thought Johnson was too durable and would last the distance.

    I've never seen a boxer so carefully matched as Wilder. He's never fought a decent prime HW, after ten years as a pro.

    He boasts that he's better than Muhammad Ali, but Ali traveled all over the world to fight, while Wilder is afraid to travel outside the USA.

    Joshua has been a pro for a much shorter period of time, yet has already fought several of the top HWs that Wilder avoided: Klitschko, Takam, Whyte, and now he's fighting Parker.

    Wilder will never unify, he's stuck with the paper "We Be Crooks" belt. He'll continue to fight faded old men or chinny journeymen.
     
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