Who has a better resume at the higher weights: Pacman or Floyd

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  1. Vidic

    Vidic Rest in Peace Manny Full Member

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    Both fighters recently campaigning in the WW division (who knows if Floyd will come back down), though both are naturally smaller men and were at their peak in lower weights, but my question is, since they have moved up from the lower weights (140 up) who has the better resume


    Pacquiao

    Welterweight
    Juan Manuel Marquez MD 12 ( 144lbs catchweight - widely regarded in the community as a loss)
    Shane Mosely UD 12
    Joshua Clottey UD 12
    Miguel Cotto TKO 11 (145lb catchweight)
    Oscar De La Hoya RTD 8

    Light-Middleweight

    Antonio Margarito UD 12 (150lbs catchweight)

    Mayweather

    Welterweight
    Victor Ortiz KO 4
    Shane Mosely UD 12
    Juan Manuel Marquez UD 12 (142lbs catchweight)
    Ricky Hatton TKO 10
    Zab Judah UD 12

    Light-Middleweight
    Oscar De La Hoya SD 12

    Floyd has a longer list of welters on his resume but for the purposes of fairness I've trimmed it down to his best/most recent wins

    Who would you say has the better resume on paper at the higher weights?
     
  2. shaunster101

    shaunster101 Yido Full Member

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  3. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    They're pretty much the same. They've even fought many of the same guys.
     
  4. Vidic

    Vidic Rest in Peace Manny Full Member

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    In that case, which fighter holds the superior win

    Take into account

    Performance
    Condition of fighter (for example Buster Douglas has a better win over Tyson than Lewis does)
    Weight (at the fighters ideal weight or not)
    Age


    Did Floyd look better against Mosely than Pacquiao did? Or vice versa
    Did he fight a better version?
    Was Mosely at his optimum weight?

    Same with Oscar, Hatton, Marquez

    I would personally strike Marquez off of Pacs resume WINS list though I know there are a few people that believe it was a win for him
     
  5. megavolt

    megavolt Constantly Shadowboxing Full Member

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    The Marg fight was more or less a WW fight with some gimme weight to Marg so he didn't have to go down to 147. (the LMW title everyone knew was bull****)

    For Pac, DLH would need an asterisk for weight drain, and some additional commentary/asterisk for the Floyd-Marquez for going over weight

    You should include the Baldo fight for Floyd since its there to negate the Judah argument, (as the way Clottey is for Cotto)

    Objectively as WWs and discarding factors such as prior size and such its actually pretty close. Pac's selection has some guys coming off blatant losses while Floyd's is more subtle coming off wins but looked obviously flawed in a recent fight
     
  6. megavolt

    megavolt Constantly Shadowboxing Full Member

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  7. Smokin_Ace

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    Remember at light welter Pac took Hatton out in 2 rounds also. I would say that it is far more impressive what Pacquiao has achieved at the higher weights by the way he won the fights. He put a severe beatdown on guys naturally much bigger (De La Hoya and Margarito), knocked Hatton out cold in 2 and started at a far lower weight than Mayweather. But if Pac and Mayweather fight...... Mayweather wide UD
     
  8. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    Mayweather's wins over Mosley and Marquez are definitely better than Pacquiao's. It gets a bit murkey with Hoya and Hatton. With Hoya, Pacquiao had the more dominant win and went up two weight classes to do it. However, Hoya came down one weight class, and was completely dehydrated. Mayweather went up one weight class to fight Hoya, Hoya was at his natural weight class, and had properly hydrated. With Hatton, Mayweather fought the better version of Hatton, but Pacquiao knocked him out quicker and did it at 140.

    I'd say that it's at least 2-2 in the common opponents department. Although you could argue 3-1 or even 4-0 in Mayweather's favor.
     
  9. Vidic

    Vidic Rest in Peace Manny Full Member

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    There are a few ways we can look at these fights objectively, in chronological order, matching the relative (as Floyd has not fought as often as he Pac) timeline of when the fights took place, by weight, or by opponent.

    Chronologically

    Ortiz KO 4 vs Marquez MD 12

    Shane Mosely UD 12 vs Shane Mosely UD 12

    Juan Manuel Marquez UD 12 vs Antonio Margarito UD 12

    Ricky Hatton TKO 10 vs Joshua Clottey UD 12

    Oscar De La Hoya SD 12 vs Miguel Cotto TKO 11

    Opponent

    Oscar De La Hoya SD - 154 lbs
    Oscar De La Hoya RTD - 8 147 lbs

    Shane Mosely UD 12 - 147lbs
    Shane Mosely UD 12 - 147 lbs

    Juan Manuel Marquez - UD 12 - 147 lbs
    Juan Manuel Marquez - MD 12 - 147 lbs

    Ricky Hatton - TKO 10 - 147 lbs
    Ricky Hatton - KO 2 - 140 lbs *

    *fought in a lower weight

    For the poster who commented that Pac fought Hatton at a lower weight, as I've indicated above yes that's true, but I created this thread on the higher weights since welterweight/lmw is the only division the fighters have campaigned in simultaneously since they haven't fought eachother, when Floyd was at 140 and below there was no discussion of the two fighters facing eachother and being that they haven't we can only go on opponents
     
  10. dinnynosher

    dinnynosher Active Member Full Member

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    Ive had enough of talkinga bout these two cowardly ***gots...



    JUST ****ING FIGHT ALREADY!!!!
     
  11. JohnAnthony

    JohnAnthony Boxing Junkie banned

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    I prefer Manny's due to the fact i prefer Clottey/Cotto/Margo as they were the 3 main names of the golden welter era that was meant to be too big for manny, and supposedly sent floyd into retirement. The only one missing is Williams.

    Its close though because Ortiz is a good win, as is a better version of DLH.

    Cotto will be a good addition to floyd.

    Bradley will also be good for Pac (potentially very good depending how much bradley achieves afterwards.

    I think bradley has potential to be a Marvin hagler type of the light welters/welters
     
  12. Mayers

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    Floyds Resume is much better he beat Mosley when he came off that very good win over Margarito who pacman boxed 6 months later. After Mayweather beat Marquez who really has beaten pacman twice but never got the nod Pacman beat a weight drained Cotto then went on to boc Clottley who had lost to Cotto.

    Then Floyd beat Ortiz who was coming off a big win over Berto when has Pacman fought a live opponent like Ortiz?

    However..... Pacman has took a hard fight in Timothy Bradley whilst Mayweather has decided to Fight Cotto who i think is a little overated now and Mayweather is trying to hide this by using the fact that hes fighting him at 154 i think after these two fights we may know a little more about who would win if these two did get it on,which they never will.
     
  13. phierl

    phierl Active Member Full Member

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    Just looking at the resumes it's Pac, but only by a hair.

    Looking at the actual fights I like Floyds performances better. most impressive win IMO is him brutally beating Cotto. Floyd fought the better versions of fighters in general, and i consider Pac's fight against Marquez a draw or a loss for Pac.
     
  14. JohnAnthony

    JohnAnthony Boxing Junkie banned

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    Actually forget my answer. This ones better :good
     
  15. chesh

    chesh Active Member Full Member

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    Their resumes above 140 are roughly equal, but one important factor in Pac's favour is that he achieved it in half the time by being twice as active. He also fought 3 top welters (Cotto, Clottey, Marg) avoided by Floyd.