Who has more raw talent, Fury, Joshua, or Wilder

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  1. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    I see a lot of people are talking about how AJ has such great raw talent, it only needs some refinement before he beats Fury etc. I'm inclined to disagree with that. He's got tremendous talent, yes, but if you match up trait for trait with the other two HW champs, the only thing I think he has more raw talent in is a kind of aggressiveness/killer instinct. You can argue power, but its certainly very close with Wilder. But, compared to Fury, as huge as he is, he's smaller in a way that would be consequential in a fight (per Wlad), he lacks the movement and speed, the volume punching ability/endurance. The only clear advantage is the punching power and aggressiveness. For Wilder, Wilder again has better speed and movement, better height, a wash on power, Joshua looks more coordinated, refined and heavier/stronger (more correctable traits, so, in that sense, Wilder appears to have more room to grow).

    All told, I really don't see Joshua as having this clear raw talent advantage that some people seem to think will conquer all once he refines himself. Against normal contenders, sure, but not when you're matching him up with Fury or Wilder.
     
  2. sir axeman

    sir axeman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Against Wilder I'd pick AJ to win...but IF Wilder can land his big right hand first then its over...so that one could be a case of just who lands first.

    Against Fury I still am not convinced on Fury - I'd pick AJ to blow him out in a few rounds even now! I half expect Wlad to let his hands go and KO Fury in the rematch if he hasn't really got old suddenly. If not same borefest again.

    Joshua vs Fury would be letting his hands go and somewhere along the way he'd catch Fury and send him to sleep.
     
  3. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Anthony Joshua has the most natural talent and athleticism of any of the current heavyweights out there. Does that guarantee that he will conquer the division? not necessarily.. But its not far fetched to say that he might. He's really the best heavyweight I've seen come along in quite a while.
     
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    Matt in a hat Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I agree. I actually think Parker might end up being the one that gives Joshua a classic fight btw. That one would be a war of the likes we haven't seen since the Bowe Holyfield fights.

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  5. ki_ote

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    Maybe. We know Parker can take a punch. AJ we think can take a punch based basically off of one solid shot that rocked him and he recovered.
    Hope this one gets made.

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  6. mr. magoo

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    I think that would be a very crowd pleasing fight and hopefully these prospects and young contenders stay on track long enough for it to happen. There are just so many big punchers out there right now with Joshua, Parker, Ortiz, Wilder, Fury, etc, etc.. But I think Joshua has the best skill and athleticism of them all. He's not just a big hitter. He has real talent and is probably more fluid than any 6'6" 245 lbs man I've ever seen in a boxing ring.
     
  7. andrewa1

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    Again, you and others say that, but based on what? Demonstrably less size and speed than Fury and Wilder. What particular form of natural talent and athleticism do you give the advantage to Joshua with? Size, speed, volume punching/endurance, none are in his favor. Only power (and with Wilder, that's a wash). He looks more athletic than Fury and Wilder, maybe that's what people are basing this on. But, looks don't equate to talent. Most of the measurable qualities, while he is far superior to most hw contenders, he is equaled or exceeded by Fury or Wilder.

    This seems to just be a myth that people like to tell each other.
     
  8. Ukansodoff

    Ukansodoff Deontay plz stop ducking Joshua. Thank you. Full Member

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    I dont know. Joshhua maybe. He has done 20 rounds or so of pro Boxing. So even though i have seen every of his fights i havnt really seen much of him. The only rounds he has really done was against Whyte and after 2 rounds of fun fighting which nearly cost him the fight he got his act together and fought well until the KO.

    Wilder bangs big time but Szpilka, Molina and Duhuapass were giving him close fights until the KO. So thats all he has. The power and not a great deal of skill to go with it.

    Fury. I love Tyson Fury but ive gotta be honest, for such a big guy he has fast hands and good movenent. But i also believe he never looked a division king until he beat Klitchko. Vlad was perfect for him, Vlad handled big slow guys with beating them to the punch or small fast guys with a much longer reach. Fury had the reach and the speed to really level the playing field and really expose Vlads secret but massive frailties. Which mostly was the fear of taking punches. Tyson Fury could well be undone next time he fights somebody who isnt Vlad.
     
  9. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Not sure what you've seen or haven't seen. But Joshua is visibly faster and more fluid than either Fury or Wilder. He's also shown more skill and mastery of the basic fundamentals. Only thing I'm not certain of his chin and long range stamina. But he's already proven superior in every other category over said fighters.
     
  10. sir axeman

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    Tyson Fury could be 'undone' in his next fight by someone who IS WLAD...still very possible if the younger let his hands go Wlad turns up.
     
  11. mr. magoo

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    True. In the mix of all these up and comers booming, Wladimir Klitschko has been momentarily forgotten. And for all we know may still have enough left in the tank to beat them all.. I sincerely hope he opts to retire soon regardless of what comes from the Fury rematch.. Boxing needs new blood. And I can see his grab and hold style ruining a lot of good fights.
     
  12. andrewa1

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    Then you ****ing don't know what you are talking about. Faster? Have you even see these guys fight at all? Fury and Wilder are much faster. Fury has incomparably better movement, Wilder looks undisciplined at times but more quick twitch speed. Fury is much bigger, Wilder is taller. Fury throws at a considerably higher volume. "Mastery of fundamentals" would definitely give him the edge over Wilder, not Fury, but that is not a "talent", it is training.
     
  13. Ukansodoff

    Ukansodoff Deontay plz stop ducking Joshua. Thank you. Full Member

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    Very true. Gut feeling is Vlads problems are too deeply engrained within him to be a changed man come the next fight. But if they arent then the 2nd fight could be very different to the 1st.
     
  14. EnzoRD

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    Isn't that the truth.

    Fury purposely does not train like Anthony Joshua because he doesn't believe in it. Too much muscle can lower endurance.

    Fury for such a big guy is quite fast.

    In terms of pure boxing talent, with the carrying the weight, height and reach and what I have seen from ALL 3, I'd say Fury is the most talented "boxer".
     
  15. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Good to know. Thanks.