who has the best ground game in mma

very hard move..is that when you lever his arm against your forearm..yes thats hard because it requires more strength than needed

Hardest thing for me was the armbar from the guard, yet Royce did this with ease and I was like how the **** to you control someones arm

 

No I dont believe so I see theres plenty of varations from that postion. The one I was taught first was similar to how Hughes caught GSP in the first bout just I learned it while actually in the side control Matt seemed to hit it trying to pass that was beautiful. I know what you mean ive never been great the with the guard armbar either its very difficult to control that arm and ive not to good at getting the leg over sure ill be able to use my other foot plant it into the guys hip and turn onto mine alittle but im still struggling throwing the leg over the head I try to push the head back but its not always that easy thats while I rarely even go for that in guard. In guard I mostly try the sweep where you post up on one arm,get the other arm under his elbow,open your guard and use them legs to sweep him to his back and gain full mount. I like that but im comfertable with my submissions in guard especially the Kimura. Its crazy the only armbar im comfertable with is the one from mount although I dont care much for the mount unless I can grapevine someone or else im ****ed im getting swept.

 

good stuff, I was thinking more of the armbar Hughes tried with Royce,..that ****er is hard as hell...looks like youre moving forward with this..have you met renzo yet?serra any of these guys

 

Na not yet I hope they come down soon its my fault though they have both been there in the last couple years holding seminars since we are all affilated. But agian its my fault I ****ed around for like 2 years never going over there to train finally one day I woke up pissed off with myself and said things need to change. Im ****ing glad I finally did it.

 

sort of like BJ...he just got serious and said I need to train

 

Yeah not quite the same but I know what you mean I just had to wake up. I quit boxing 2 years ago manily because I felt MMA was more fun to me more of a challenge then training was alittle more demanding for me. Im not a self motivated guy to be honest I need to be pushed in boxing it was more individual I dont think I ever was as good as I couldve been. When I played Football and Baseball in High School I was pushed by alot of people and I put everything I had into practice and lifting and running then game times id give my ****ing heart and sole. MMA man I feel so much more apart of something guys see me slacking up even on individual drills everyones there to help me. Im so glad I stopped making excuses for not going like money,time,vehicle,distance ETC. I always thought id love training in this **** but I hated it at first I was so bad I was getting raped in Muay Thai and Jiu-Jitsu plus I couldnt stop takedowns from ****ing 12 year olds who resembled little girls but I settled down stayed focus now you got the guy who operates the gym on a daily basis calling me a gym rat I cant get enough of it best thing I have in my life right now.

 

Other guys that are somewhat obvious but are either too well rounded or inactive to be mentioned so far:

Fedor - probably the best ground game in the HW division, after all the ground game includes GnP, takedowns, top control, guard, submissions, all of that imo.

Arona - Could still probably win ADCC, supposed to be coming back in 09

GSP - Has been subbed once by Hughes, then went on to cut through him on the ground, fought Penn at least evenly on the ground, and outside of his submission lost, has never really been losing a fight on the ground for any serious amount of time.

Josh Barnett - best overall HW on the ground from America

Babalu - interesting case in that he was Brazilian who wrestled Greco first, then Luta Livre, then BJJ.

Imanari - he's become a top 3, with possible claim to #1 145er in the world with nothing but a ground game, and one highly based on leglocks. He nearly took current WEC champ Mike Browns leg home with him.


And I'm sure I'm missing some other obvious ones.

 

a hard one because there is alot of dimensions to a mma ground game without a gi.

best submission fighter i would say is Sakuraba, but he's not very quick in transitions on the ground, then again he can submit you from anywhere.

best ground guy in using his wait to wear out opponents and transitions.. i would have to say BJ Penn

 

Do you mean overall ground game for MMA? BJJ for MMA? Or just who has the best BJJ in general that's an MMA fighter? All different answers.

 

An honorable mention has to go to Dustin Hazlett for some of the slick moves he's been pulling off lately.

 

Damian Maia has looked great as well.