Who has the best resume in MMA history?

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  1. StillWill

    StillWill Dr. Eisenfaust Full Member

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    Fedor faced TWO of that three – Sylvia and Arlovski – and – as ever, vastly undersized – he destroyed them both in a combined 3 minutes and 50 seconds. He signed to fight the third (Couture) but the fight was cancelled, due to Randy resigning with the UFC.
    Ducking? The elites of the UFC are what Fedor fears? The men at the top when Pride collapsed and Fedor was left without a home, are precisely the men who LEFT the UFC willingly to prove themselves against HIM, the men whom he respectively choked into submission, and scud missled into unconsciousness in a matter of minutes…
    So, that takes care of 2007 and 2008. Roll on 2009, and lo and behold, UFC fanboys have found more reasons to ooze slime. Step aside, UFC elite and Fedor victims, because the New Breed are coming through. But are they really anything special that Fedor has not faced before? Fedor, the man who beat K-1 guys on the feet, BJJ world champions from within their own guard… he should fear the NEW BREED?
    Prior to the PR fiasco that even Dr Josef Goebbels could not pretend was a fight between the world’s best heavyweights – Carwin vs. Lesnar – none of the New Breed had even fought each other! None had barely any top 10 wins between them! Brock was 4-1 win/loss, with his two shining triumphs being a 45yr old current light heavyweight, and a Frank Mir who last wore UFC gold proper in 2004. Carwin had more fights, but was little better; his best wins leading up to Brock were a Gonzaga whose stock is falling fast, and the aforementioned Mir.
    As for Carwin vs. Brock itself, don’t make me laugh. Round 1 saw the sad spectacle of Brock turning and running from his opponent’s punches, cowering into a ball and praying that the referee would not stop the fight (he IS a cash cow, after all…) until Carwin prematurely gassed, and Brock managed to secure a submission on him in round 2 that resembled my 14yr old brother submitting a giant, inanimate teddy bear. Only the teddy would have been more of a challenge to secure a hold on, probably…
    Best heavyweights in the world? UFC champion vs. UFC “interim heavyweight champion”? (Don’t get me started on THAT can of worms)
    Yes… clearly, Fedor Emelianenko – with his pinpoint accuracy striking and knockout power, his great throws, top-notch submission game, indomitable will and ceaseless endurance, is ducking the top 2 fighters of the UFC – Shane and Brock.
    Only now of course, there is no “interim champ” in Shane. So now there is, theoretically, a NEW second best HW in the UFC. Great. That basically means now that the old guard is discredited, their weaknesses and flaws highlighted, there is a NEW guy that Fedor is obviously ducking! Now it’s Cain! Now, while Cain is superior to the rest of the “new breed”, he is hardly a monster. “Pillow hands” is one criticism he is stuck with… and I fail to see in what area of fighting he is superior to not only Fedor, but to the hulking Alistair Overeem; Strikeforce champion, and the REAL new breed of heavyweight to my mind. 6’5 of solid muscle, speed and strength, not to mention K-1 striking and ADCC level grappling. THAT is new breed.
    Nogueira and “CroCop” being picked up by the UFC was the worst thing to happen to Fedor’s career. After both men – far past their primes, both – were cannibalized by younger fighters who’d never fought under the glare of the Rising Sun – majority of fans were able to discredit Fedor’s consensus biggest wins. But let's think in terms of context:
    Is Nogueira, after such a punishing career, even 50% of the fighter he was from 2002-2006?
    Is CroCop, after an even more punishing fighting life consisting of over 100 matches in K-1, amateur boxing and MMA, even 70% of what he was in 2003? Mirko is a striker; his reflexes, as with anyone else’s, dull over time.
    I can safely say; both men in their primes were a hell of a lot more impressive – and well rounded – than Brock Lesnar, and Shane Carwin.
    Because from what Brock/Shane taught me, the UFC term “New Breed of Heavyweight” is codeword for “huge wrestlers with no cardio”. And to me, that’s not new breed – we had Mark Kerr in 1997.
    Only Kerr also had success in ADCC too. He had legit submission skills.
    I’ll take a BJJ wizard with great boxing (Nogueira) and a K-1 killing machine with exceptional takedown defense, reflexes and sprawls (Mirko) any day of the week, over this fantastic, mythical new breed of heavyweight that the Zuffa UFC hype machine blathers on about… absolutely pathetic, transparent garbage, and it’s a tragedy that so many fans fall for it. I’d take prime Nogueira with his insane skillset, and prime Filipovic, Pride’s Croatian Sensation, any day of the week.
    I’d also prefer to have those names (circa 2002-2006) on my resume, in my wins column.
    Lets look at some more fun facts; for all the New Breed propaganda, does the UFC even have the best selection of Heavyweights out there? Let’s compare the current UFC Heavyweight roster to Strikeforce, the org that the dastardly UFC-ducking-coward Fedor actually signed to.
    UFC:
    Lesnar – huge wrestler has proved to be vulnerable both to punches and submissions.
    Carwin – huge wrestler, immense KO power, but slow and zero cardio.
    Mir – hugely talented BJJ artist, not the sturdiest chin, far inferior overall to Fedor
    Duffee – huge, unproven, could not finish Mike Russow before being KO’d
    JDS – great striker (not quite prime CroCop, though) not proven on the ground
    Cain – best of the bunch so far. Personally, I doubt he could KO or decision Fedor though.
    Strikeforce:
    Fedor
    Overeem – the REAL new breed; 6’5, 250+lbs of K-1 striking, ADCC level grappling
    Werdum – exceptional BJJ, most dangerous heavyweight submission artist fulltime in MMA
    Silva – huge, talented striker, good grappling, and well rounded
    Rogers – the least well rounded of the bunch, but huge KO power, decent brawler
    Kharitonov – completely well rounded; great chin, tremendous boxing, excellent throws, good submission game.
    Barnett – one of the deepest HW resumes in history; great catch/submission wrestler
    Arlovski – went 3-0 in UFC before leaving to face Fedor – went 0-3 afterwards
    Gracie – if he stays in MMA full time, we will be treated to the current king of BJJ

    So you decide. Did Fedor REALLY duck “top competition” when he chose to decline the dictator’s UFC contract, and sign with Strikeforce?
    In my opinion – and that’s all it is – he chose to add a huge weight to the swollen ranks of the best heavyweight roster in Mixed Martial Arts right now; the stacked Strikeforce, with its 206lbs+ murderer's row.
    Wow, this ended up being a fact-laden voyage. Perhaps if I slow down my typing and switch the stimulants for depressants, next time…
    In closing, comradrés, I bid you adieu. This feature is solely the opinions of myself, and – I’m pretty sure – those of the guys at my forum! But don’t take the word of anyone professing to be an MMA writer as gospel; not Helwani, not Rossen, Rios and the girls, not anyone here… hell, don’t even believe me.


    Just do the research, and make up your own minds.

    The one who doesn’t fall, doesn’t stand up.
    It’s been emotional.
    Fletch.
     
  2. Stoo

    Stoo Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Well written post StillWill
     
  3. Matt Ldn

    Matt Ldn Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Im going to add StillWill to the short list of posters on the MMA forum that i listen to
     
  4. Pachilles

    Pachilles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Duran deserves a mention
     
  5. Primate

    Primate Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Good posts StillWill
     
  6. MaliSlamusrex

    MaliSlamusrex Boxing Addict Full Member

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  7. Ai-edy2007

    Ai-edy2007 STOCKTON 209 MOTHER****ER Full Member

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    yo shot stillwill ****ing solid argument bro concrete facts thats what we need in these forums!!
     
  8. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Big Nog probably.

    I think Sakuraba rates quite high in this regard too.

    (Those 2 are arguably my fav fighters of all time but its not a biased opinion, there are others that can be argued obviously but Id rather give a shout to my fav fighters :D)
     
  9. greathamza

    greathamza Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    stillwill from the comments i assume you have written something good but damn that is a lot to go through.
    youre texts needs some air in between the lines sometimes to make it easier to read
     
  10. Black2023

    Black2023 Guest

    Im sorry big man he was not, he had not fought Hoost yet.

    Bobb Sapp just like Brock Lesnar show through time that they arent as relevant as people think they are.

    By the time of the Noguiera fight Sapp the big sap was 2-0 in MMA and 0-1 in K1.
     
  11. Caestus

    Caestus Active Member Full Member

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    Fedor Emelianenko.Almost a decade dominating his category and staying invict in the process.He destroyed all his oponents in his own distances.

    No doubt about who have the better resume.
     
  12. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I personally think it's sad to see that now that Fedor has lost his last 2 fights his whole career is being questioned. As far as I'm concerned he's the greatest MMA fighter who's ever lived.
     
  13. achillesthegreat

    achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE Full Member

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    True.
     
  14. Kittikasem

    Kittikasem Guest

    A nice read for sure, but still doesn't address the fact that overall Big Nog fought better fighters and compiled a deeper resume.
     
  15. Kittikasem

    Kittikasem Guest

    This is a great post though, agree with almost everything that's been said.

    Especially liked this bit:

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