Who has the best Resume in SMW history?

Fair enough, I'll leave it up to you two to sort out.

But his points would have made for a great debate.

 

... an example of you running away again, yes.


though its not sad, on the contrary your serial running is fun for viewers.

 

Calzaghe has beaten 8 smw world title holders. His wins are not rated as high as others on the listbecause the division wasn't as hyped at the time.

 

these wins are rated less high than you rate them because they are rating him truthfully and you aren't - I count two title holders that joe faced, lacy and Kessler, which is 6 short of 8. they were both good wins for him, mind you, and credit for a very brief partial unification.

if you mean ex title holders, then mere contenders beat former and bitpart titlists all the time on the way up. I am not sure what kind of claim it is to compare Joe to contenders, he was supposed to be a world champ.

 

I mean ex title holders and future title holders. His wins were not far from when these boxers held the titles, I am not counting Jones as that was at lhw and too far from when he was a world champion.
But the division was sort of ignored from post Eubank up until the hype around Lacy, although there was a lot of talent in the division.
Woodhall and Reid were both very good.
Byron Mitchell is never mentioned and yet he had a win over Frankie Liles.

The average standard of Calzaghe's resume is not good, there are a lot of weak defences, but the length of his reign means that he also the greatest number of good defences.

 

Joe Calzaghe's memoirs reflect the way Naseem turned himself from a fresh, funny and gifted kid into an award-winning knob. Thankfully, on this occassion Naseem got well and truly sent to the naughty step by Carl Thompson. Enjoy!

"We went to store on Rodeo Drive and Naz said he was going to buy a watch and of course it was a Rolex that cost $250,000. "I'll give you $150,000 for it" he told the guy in the store. I don't think he really wanted it, just to give it the big 'un in front of us. I know I would never do that, or walk into the gym and ask the lads how much they were getting paid. But Naz was into that. Carl who keeps himself to himself but he was getting seriously wound up to the point where you could see that he wanted to rip Naz's head off. Naz was a like school yard bully trying to ridicule him. "What you wearing Carl?" "What's that on your head?" Finally Carl told him to "shut it. What is your ****ing problem? Look at you. I don't need to see your belts because you've got ears like a trophy. I could pick you up by grabbing them. Look at you. The only reason you have a bird is because you have money."

You could have cut the atmosphere with a knife. Everyone in the limo had fallen silent, except Carl, who wasn't finished. "If you say another word to annoy me, I'll take you outside and I'll sort you out," he said looking straight at Naz. "OK you ****ing dwarf?"

Naz was a chastened child but the rest of us roared with laughter and clapped Carl for hitting back so forcefully.

"What you being like that for?" Naz said lamely."

 

I am with you with that meaning.

Reid was definitely a very good opponent, though of course it was an either way fight. Woodhall would have been if he'd not fought Joe when prime, not on his retirement, but that said joe boxed well against this version of Richie keen on a retirement pay off.

The Mitchell 'win' was pretty embarrassing, it being stopped by calzaghe's ref when Mithcell slipped, but not stopped when joe was floored cleanly. I am not sure how that would have gone had Byron not been stopped for a slip. Mitchell wasn't even a good opponent - he was the loser of the NABF fight recently, and NABF ought to be a rung lower than the WBO one but Joes choice of byron indicates the NABF title was worth more than the WBO one at that time, in that Joe faced the LOSER of that title fight, not the winner.


However there are good wins over good opps too- Kesslerand Bika spring to mind. Lacy not so much but still he was a titlist and he was made to look a tool.

As far as resumes go, you could add a dozen weaklings to frochs and wards resumes and there CV's longevity would look better than joes ....but I pretty sure ward and froch have no interest in fighting at subnational level for years.

Yet Joe definitely has better longevity than Ward and Froch, so far. That's a card in his pack that should last a few years yet.

 

odd to describe Naz as a bully towards Carl Cruiserweight Thompseon, considering Naz is a flysized guy.
Hameds a goon to be sure, but bully usnt the word in this case.

 

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A slip?! That's a ridiculous comment. Watch the fight. He was stumbling all over the place.

I think it is clear you only started following the division from around 2006, and give much more value to wins over fighters about whom you know more.

I think people seem to forget that Froch hadn't fought above British level until he was in his 30s.

Some of these boxers you are considering weaklings have wins over some of the boxers mentioned as good wins in the opening post

 

Also I assume you don't know much about Woodhall, as I assume you just looked up his record and saw that Calzaghe was his last fight and used that to discredit him. But he didn't go into that fight just looking for one last pay day. He didn't announce his retirement until a couple of years later and had other fights arranged, although pulled out of them.

 

So, who could he have fought?

 

Idont know much about him, so I had to go by Wikipedia when it said -

"Woodhall retired after this (Calzaghe) bout which took place on 16 December 2000"

Although further digging reveals FrankWassen wanted to get him a WBU (dead end title) shot but Rich was struggling with fitness and training due to hairline fractures in his back. So you are right he had his sights on one fight after Joe, but the same article indicates he thought he knew he was finished before Joe and in the fight itself gassed out early (so he claims anyway). I don't think its an accident that Joe faced him at that time rather than a more genuine challenger. Woodhall was not a good opponent for Joe, all in all. It'd be like fighting Darren Barker post hip fracture.