Who has the best Resume in SMW history?

HAHA you think that me NOT using your failed argument is a duck? That's like you offering me an anal toothbrush. no thanks, grief.


Dont force your failures on me. Its your duck...but you spell it with an F, not a D.

 

I have fun exposing how you make comments and cannot back them up and watching how you have to pull another duck

 

not trying to argue, I do that with my wife.

if Joes win over Kessler is not relevant, then is froch and wards worth much over the same fighter now beaten?

 

yeah you keep asking that, why?

I agree that's its relevant and have never said it isn't. why would I say it isn't an important win, it is what it is, a very good win in fact.

 

i'm not using your crap argument. keep your failures to yourself.

 

How was Toney a better win than Eubank? Look below
look at the level Toney was fighting at, when SMW champ

1993 he wins the title from iran barkley a fighter who years earlier was blown away by nigel benn in 1 round and pummelled to a loss by a shot roberto duran barkley went onto lose 11 out of 25 fights following this fight and never beat anyone who was remotely good in doing so,the guy was so desperate he was even plying his trade as a HW in the late 90's against the likes of berbick and they say this era is a joke

govonor chambers a guy with a career record of 9 wins 7 losses, all 3 fights prior to toney were ko losses!

ricky thomas: won 11 lost 14,the 4 fights he had prior to toney all losses!

glenn thomas:won 29 lost 8, lost to roy jones prior to toney and finished his career with a first round ko loss to jeff lacy.

danny garcia: won 30 lost 22, was coming off losses to chris pyatt (a steve collins victim) lamar parks etc

larry prather: won 19 lost 24,lost his last 5 fights prior to the toney fight even losing to nicky piper

tony thornton: won 37 lost 7,lost to chris eubank a year earlier.

anthony hembrick: won 31 lost 8,lost to maske prior to toney and orlin norris a year earlier.

tim littles: won 27 lost 3,maybe one of his better wins,had fought mainly bums with the exception of a close UD over frankie liles,went onto lose to frankie liles in a 2nd contest following the toney fight.

vinsom durham: won 21 lost 37 enough said.

charles williams: won 37 lost 7 drew 3,lost to maske prior to toney.

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and finally the Jones fight and, That was Jones big SMW victory where Toney was alledgedly weight weakend, other than that Jones didnt do much at SMW.

Eubank had some good genuine SMW victories

Eubank beat Watson, Rocchigiani, Wharton, Holmes and drew with Benn, to name a few
Out of Eubanks 18 WBO SMW title fights 14 of those fights were against fighters who were, had been or became top 10 SMWs. One was a unification and another was against the undefeated former IBF SMW champ (relinquished his title). In fact 6 of the fighters he faced had been or became world champs

Come back when you can answer Herol, otherwise its irrelevant. You know that word now

 

Herol being pwned again

 

Toney was ranked higher than Collins yet you want to give Collins credit who barley fought in that division ..Talk about hypocrisy !

 

Joe holds the most meaningful win over Kessler, that much can't be argued.

Undefeated, prime, unification fight.

 

I've obviously misread or misunderstood something along the last 4 pages.....

I though you was implying he was undefeated fighting bums(Kessler I mean) so the win wasn't worth much, my original post was about Lacy anyway!

 

Dawson shouldn't be counted he never did anything at that weight !

 

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, so not sure what rankings you were looking at, though would say many rankings are only opinions

 

I don't always understand the "never did anything at the weight" argument.

Are you telling me had Toney beat Jones at SMW, it would have been a **** win becaue Roy had done nothing at the weight..

Or even Ruiz for that matter, had he beat Roy at HW, it would be probably one of his best wins.

 

You are quick to dismiss Jones resume at super middle because he barley fought there but yet you want to elevate Collins win over Eubank ..And whati was referring to was Toney's ranking at super middle as opposed to Collins ..Jones win is more significant because of Toney's ranking and record !

 

This topic has been discussed numerous times.

Yet again, you haven't allowed for circumstances.

Steve Collins's claim to fame was beating faded versions of Benn and Eubank.

Yes, on paper, Eubank was undefeated when Collins beat him. However, he was never the same after the Watson tragedy and he was extremely lucky not to have had three losses on his resume going in against Collins. Many people think he lost to Ray Close, and Eubank has admitted in his own autobiography that he lost to Schommer and Benn in the rematch.

Steve Collins did not beat the version of Eubank that beat Benn and Watson, and that needs taking into consideration.

I also don't see how Collins deserves huge credit for beating faded versions of Benn, who came out of retirement after losing to Malinga.