Who has the best shot: Rhodes, Macklin or Haye?

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  1. El Greeno

    El Greeno Well-Known Member Full Member

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    All three have world title tilts abroad over the next 3 weekends and all will start as significant underdogs. Who you think has the best shot bringing the title(s) back home?

    To me, Haye probably has the best shot, although I see Wlad as big favourite. Since it is heavyweight boxing and with Haye's combination of speed and power, Wlad's ability to take a punch, it is conceivable that he could land big and end it.

    Rhodes also has a bit of a chance since this is Canelo's first proper test as a LMW and there is still a bit of a question about his ability to take a punch. However, being so far away from home, in the lion's den, I give Rhodes very little chance.

    I give Macklin pretty much no chance. Although he usually raises his level to that of his opponent, he is not in great form, hasn't been greatly active and is fighting in Germany. I think Sturm will box his ears off.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. FrochFan7

    FrochFan7 Expert In Stucco Full Member

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    Haye isn't a significant underdog and is the most likely put of those 3 to pull off the win. Although I have got a good feeling about Rhodes next week.
     
  3. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    Haye
    Rhodes
    Macklin

    But TBH I don't fancy any of their chances.
     
  4. El Greeno

    El Greeno Well-Known Member Full Member

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    In my mind he is anyway:D
     
  5. Decy

    Decy Barely Coherent Full Member

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    Rhodes although I have a feeling the Dark Lord may come up with something.Macklin has next to no chance I fear even if he wins he loses only a KO will do.
     
  6. Dunky McCafferty

    Dunky McCafferty Boxing Junkie banned

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    Haye has a good chance, Rhodes a decent one, Macklins head is going to be used as a speedball:D
     
  7. Dunky McCafferty

    Dunky McCafferty Boxing Junkie banned

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    You dont fancy Hayes chances for this one Gaz? Im shocked!

    IMO Haye has the tools for the job here, & if I were an englander(heaven forbid:D) I would be carrying confidence for this one!

    Hayes one explosive SOB, thats all I am saying!
     
  8. Bazzel

    Bazzel Guest

    Bookies give him about a 37% chance of winning. So "live dog" is about right
     
  9. Earl-hickey

    Earl-hickey Boxing Junkie banned

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    I think Haye will win

    Rhodes has a good chance imo

    Macklin can forget it
     
  10. The Spider

    The Spider Guest

    All underdogs. But though many don't want to accept it Haye is a real chance.
     
  11. Earl-hickey

    Earl-hickey Boxing Junkie banned

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    I love the underestimating of Haye, it's insane.

    Haye has the possibility to be an absoloute nightmare for Wlad, of course theres also the possibility that he gets ktfo early, and i prey that doesnt happen because the "told you so" will be dreadful
     
  12. Flomo Joe

    Flomo Joe Guest

    1. Rhodes - he WILL win.
    2. Haye - he won't win.
    3. Macklin - has no chance of winning.
     
  13. Dan684

    Dan684 Dave's Stepdad Full Member

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    Rhodes for me. I like 'El Canelo' but I think he's been well overated and marketed by Golden Boy. The only issue is that Rhodes, like a lot of British fighters (Macklin will be the epitomy of this soon) has spent far too long treading water in a class he's long outgrew. Now he's stepping up quite a few levels in a single leap he may find it hard.

    Macklin has no real chance in my opinion. Obviously he has a bit of a dig but he's spent far too long wasting his time at domestic level and cheap Euro/journeymen opponents is no way to prepare for this kind of fight. Sturm is true world class, not elite but I fully expect him to be able to handle macklin with relative ease.

    Haye - I don't want to see him win and thankfully I can see him doing so. I see him eating Wlad's jab and straight right for the 5/6 rounds it lasts. Although Haye does have a great chance with his speed and power.

    Rhodes
    Haye
    Macklin


    That order for me :deal
     
  14. The Spider

    The Spider Guest

    Because this bout has polarised so many fight fans there'll be a big "told you so" for either result. I wouldn't be putting money on Haye because Wlad deserves to be the favourite. But anyone who thinks Haye has no chance at all is kidding themselves.
     
  15. Scottrf

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    C&P:

    David Haye vs Wladimir Klitchsko. 2nd July, Hamburg, Germany.
    40:60

    Klitschko's main asset will be his jab. Haye knows this so his strategy will focus on taking his jab away. I think his strategy will revolve around feints/threats to make Wlad think he is about to unload, draw the jab and slip it to get inside to land his powershots. This will make it a very cagey opening to the fight, as Haye's often are (and Wlad's almost always are) when he is fearful of the other guy's power; Enzo, Harrison etc. The fight centres around range control. Klitschko controls distance well with a powerful jab and large reach, with short shots inside (usually the overhand right) to punish you if you rush in carelessly, or clinching.

    This clinching may be a large part of Wlad's gameplan. As the larger man he may try to wear Haye down by holding, as Haye's stamina is questioned, rightly or wrongly after gassing against Thompson so long ago. His fights have rarely gone far so it's hard to assess whether his stamina has improved. I can't see this being too important; Haye landed so many powershots against Thompson it was a miracle he was standing. The lateral movement will tire him but he will be in condition and wont have an effect unless he gets caught too often.

    It's highly likely there will be a knockdown; body have questionable resistance and good power. Make no mistake, Haye has Heavyweight power, Ruiz has rarely been down in his career and Haye put him on his bum moving backward, and even staggered man mountain Valuev. However, Haye has shown me he is better able to cope with adversity. Against Mormeck he got tagged, but sensibly took a knee and regained his composure. Against Barrett he started sloppy and was put down but got back up to win. Contrast to Wlad who doesn't seem able to clear his head after getting knocked down, and Haye is the better finisher.

    A jab is a lot more effective against a static target, as so many of Wladimir's opponents have been. But if Haye gets caught, you can expect the sledgehammer of a straight right following it. The fight will be more open than the bigger guy would like, and I can see him in trouble at times. But I can see his power making Haye wary enough that the opportunities aren't regular enough for Haye to earn a decision, and pick Wlad to be standing at the final bell. Seems intuitive that there will be a knockout with each guy having power and a suspect chin, but have been toying with the decision too. (As a side note, everyone who has been on the cover of Fight Night has lost their next fight).

    Klitchsko late stoppage.

    Ryan Rhodes vs Saul Alvarez. 18th June, Guadalajara, Mexico.
    35:65.

    Seems a tough ask, away in Mexico against Goldenboy's Goldenboy. Alvarez had a fairly comfortable win last time out against Matthew Hatton in a peashooter vs cannon contest, but one in which his was outboxed for large periods, and only seemed to fight one minute of each round. A big knockout of Baldomir proved he does have some power, and his questionable defence has shown his chin to be good. Not the most rounded boxer, but makes good use of his physicality and is a good bodypuncher. Ryan's fight against Messi had people thinking he may be back to his best, but I believe was slightly overrated against a solid but not exactly dangerous opponent. Ryan had a quick blow out against Rocky Junior last time out (didn't catch it), but 2 rounds in a year has me wondering if he may suffer from ring rust, against an active boxer with 36 rounds under his belt in the same time.
    Should be a exciting fight, you don't have to look for either so it should be a tear up from the start. I expect Ryan to have success in the same way Hatton did, but without the size advantage Canelo enjoyed his punches wont have the same effect and he will have to be more wary of the return fire. Alvarez to up his activity from that bout and fight full rounds to a 2-4 round points win in a competitive fight, in which I wouldn't be surprised if he suffers a knockdown.

    Alvarez decision.

    Matthew Macklin vs Felix Sturm. 25th June, Cologne, Germany.
    20:80.

    Macklin is a inconsistent performer, and laboured to a win last time out against a common opponent outboxed easily by the German. Macklin seems easy to catch and while durable I don't see him having the skills to trouble Sturm. Coming after a fight at the Magnificent 7 where he failed to impress, I'm not convinced either of his form leading up to his biggest fight. With so many trainers, he seems to lack consistency.

    Sturm isn't the most exciting but is dependable. He may be a stay at home boxer, but he has faced the better standard of opposition, and won more impressively. With home advantage, I see little chance of Sturm losing. Behind the jab, and with a tight defence I think he can keep Macklin off him and rack up points.

    Sturm decision.

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