Who has the better 49-0, Rocky or Floyd?

Which prime fighters are you speaking of?

 

Rocky, he dominated.

I am not sure Money ever dominated one division.

This is why everyone calls Rocky a top five ATG HW, whereas Money has to call himself TBE. If you have to call yourself it, you are doing something wrong.


But I wont deny Floyd is an ATG too of course, just not in the top echelon.

 

agains if marciano was around today, who doubts he could have won single titles at LHW, CW and HW? not unified, just single, like floyd. Its a certainty he'd manage it. Benig undisputed at HW is almost as good as all that.

Throw in that young, lighter Marciano would win a title in the embryonic SMW division with ease, chasing down the best like Ward and easily smashing the 2nd tier SMWs like Calzaghe, and thats as good as floyds multidivision runaround.

The Mayweather did lots of divisions argument is not a good one against an undisputed ATG.

 

Mayweather stepped up to world class way earlier than Rocky. 30 fights at the top across 3 different eras is better than 14 or 15.

 

I miss Mr Magoo.

 

There's a lot of arguments that one can make either way. That some of the guys Floyd beat were diminished and that the best names Marciano beat were washed up. Some feel Marciano may have deserved the L vs Lowry. Others feel Maidana pipped Floyd.

I take Marciano for these main reasons:

1) Moore, Walcott, Charles and Louis are true ATG's and serious names in boxing history. They > Floyd's best wins.
2) Floyd played A-side games to get the best possible terms for his fights. Weight draining opponents etc means you didn't beat the best version of that opponent
3) Floyd has the drugs question mark over his head. He should have been slammed heavily for IV gate and instead received a retroactive blessing. I mean wtf?
4) Marciano typically decimated his opponents and left no doubt as to who had won. Floyd did not.

 

1. Canelo, Pac, and Oscar are the PPV kings. They will be remembered.
2. He didn’t weight drain opponents. That was Pacquiao’s game. Leonard too.
3. There is no IV gate. An IV is something that’s considered urgent and can therefore be retroactively approved. It’s the entire reason retroactive approval exists and Floyd’s team knew he was getting approval.
4. Floyd was more dominant than Rocky over twice as many world class opponents. That isn’t arguable to anyone who’s impartial.

There isn’t any good case for Rocky.

 

By that standard a Citi Golf is a better car than a Ferrari, because so many more have been sold.

Except:

""They wanted me to go to 147," Alvarez said earlier this week when he said he was already down to 154 pounds. "I said that was physically impossible. Then they wanted 150 and then 151. I wanted to make the fight so I agreed to 152. Then they forced me to be quiet about it.""

https://www.newsday.com/sports/boxi...ez-to-have-weighty-issues-big-money-1.6070969

Of course there's IV gate. IV's are used to mask other drugs and that's why they are banned. USADA's credibility has long been in question:

"In other words, 18 days after the fight, USADA gave Mayweather a retroactive therapeutic use exemption for a procedure that is on the WADA “Prohibited Substances and Methods List.” And because of a loophole in its drug-testing contract, USADA wasn’t obligated to notify the Nevada State Athletic Commission or Pacquiao camp regarding Mayweather’s IV until after the retroactive TUE was granted.


Meanwhile, on May 2 (fight night), Pacquiao’s request to be injected with Toradol (a legal substance) to ease the pain caused by a torn rotator cuff was denied by the Nevada State Athletic Commission because the request was not made in a timely manner.


A conclusion that one might draw from these events is that it helps to have friends at USADA."

https://www.sbnation.com/longform/2015/9/9/9271811/can-boxing-trust-usada

I prefer the names on Rocky's ledger, frankly.

^ Opinion.

 

Definitely Rocky. Didn't cheat for that last win.

 

Canelo agreed to 152, an entire 1.5 pounds less than his weight for Trout. He also happened to outweigh Floyd by 20ish pounds on fight night and was fighting a 36 year old who moved way up in weight. And he still lost clearly. Rocky never even beat a prime elite fighter with that kind of weight disadvantage. Nor was he around at age 36.

Rocky would get lampooned if he were around in the internet era (see LaStarza). If you want to believe bearing old guys like a finished Louis is better than what Floyd was doing, be my guest but it’s biased as hell.

 

Sounds about right.

 

Good post. And we could use more Clyde Drexler references around here.

 

Can’t really compare them, since Floyd fought from 130-154 while Marciano was a heavyweight. Also, there are a lot more world titles around nowadays per division in comparison to when Marciano fought.

Floyd Mayweather’s best wins

Oscar De La Hoya, 34 years old and past prime
Shane Mosley, 38 years old and past prime
Miguel Cotto
Manny Pacquiao - fight happened too late
Canelo Alvarez - fight happened at a catchweight
Jose Luis Castillo - Floyd arguably lost the first fight.
Diego Corralles
Ricky Hatton - Ricky has to move up to 147.
Marcos Maidana

Rocky Marciano’s best wins

Joe Louis, 37 years old and shot
Ezzard Charles - past prime
Jersey Joe Walcott - 37 years old and past prime.
Archie Moore - 41 years old.
Roland LaStarza - Rocky arguably lost the first fight.
Rex Layne
Lee Savold
Don Cockell
Johnny Shkor, coming off brutal knockout to Walcott
Carmine Vingo

 

I’d say Marciano for the simple fact that he barely had an amateur career, started boxing in his 20’s, and nobody expected much of him. Also, when Marciano was fighting there was only one world title.

Mayweather on the other hand was a second generation boxer, started boxing as a kid, had a very successful amateur career, and was expected to achieve a lot as a pro. Mayweather had the benefit of there being multiple world titles per division when fought, which made it far easier to become a world champion.