Who Has The Better Chin... Liston or Foreman?

Both have good chins but you have to give it to Foreman... he was only ever KO`d once, by Muhammad Ali who just happens to be the best HW that ever lived.

 

Both fighters are a couple of my favorites,and had great chins.The late Leotis Martin has had a greater career on this forum from Liston detractors than he ever could have had,even if Liston hadn't ended it for him at a rather young age.For people to keep bringing up Liston getting kayoed by Martin,would be like talking about how Donnie Fleeman koed Ezzard Charles.

 

:good:goodagreed on all points

 

I disagree about Sonny Liston's wicked KO loss to Martin in '69............... Fact is, Liston was painting Martin pretty well for an aging old fart of a warrior in '69......... Liston did do damage and make a mark or two on Martin's mug, etc.......... It's just the luck of the draw that Liston stood still for a brief moment in round 9 and took time out to eat a whopper right from Leo Martin......... It's true Liston was aged, but, he was trained and doing well before getting starched by Martin......... That KO means and proves something..........

Note:

I heard a tale that Leo Martin never fought again afterward......... WTF? Is that true??

 

Yes, Martin sustained a retinal tear against Liston, a career ending injury in those days. Leotis knocked Sonny out, but Liston retired him.

When looking at the Ali-Liston knockdown in Lewiston, I focus on how sharply the rear of Sonny's head jerks back when Muhammad's right connects, a real whiplash effect. I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that the knockdown was legitimate. Only a hard impact could have caused Liston's head to tilt back as sharply in reverse as it did.

 

Ali was on his bike when he anchored Liston in Maine........... Sumthin' STINKS bad there............. I trust team Ali in Maine; not team Liston........ PEACE!!

MR.BILL:deal

 

The thing that catches my eye is how Liston uses his hands seemingly instinctly to somehow regain balance when he pitches forward.

 

The hell?

I have a clean photo of Duran pitching to the canvas from Hearns' right-cross in round 2 back in '84, and Duran has his hand out looking to cushion the impact of himself / face from crashing into the floor........... Purely instinct....... Elementary.........

MR.BILLhat

 

Ali was also on his bike when his right produced the first knockdown on Williams, so it wasn't as if the Lewiston knockdown was a unique one time occurrence.

Sonny's widow said that he told her the knockdown was indeed legitimate, but that it was not, in and of itself, enough to force him down for ten seconds. Liston always stated that he was not going to try getting up with a crazy person standing over him. According to everything I'm aware of Sonny ever saying about it, he would have beaten the count if Ali went directly to a neutral corner. (Muhammad typically didn't do this during his first career, but would stand for a moment over his man and raise his arms.)

 

Even though George was pulling away from the Frazier punch at the end of the fourth round in their second fight, George took it well. He was in his BEST shape for both Frazier fights. That George could take a punch
extremely well!

 

Foreman was lean at 217 in 1973 for Frazier in Jamaica, and he was 224 for Frazier in New York later in '76.............. Foreman was well trained on both accounts.........

Funny, but Frazier's shape has been questioned severely both in 1973 and again in 1976............. Fraizer was close to 215 in '73 and he was 224 like Foreman was in 1976....... WTF was Frazier thinking?????

MR.BILL

 

Yeah, that's what I meant. It looks too instinctive to me to be a calculated dive.

 

Okay.....:good

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