Who Has The Better Chin... Liston or Foreman?

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Walcott-Charles 1 1949? youtube?

 

Don't have it on my computer.

 

From Mr. Bill:

"Funny, but Frazier's shape has been questioned severely both in 1973 and again in 1976............. Fraizer was close to 215 in '73 and he was 224 like Foreman was in 1976....... WTF was Frazier thinking?????"

Good question. For '73, not thinking Foreman would be too tough.
For '76, on the verge of retirement, many ring battles,
not the same fighter. Figured Joe would have really
got into shape one last time. Surprised at that one.

 

I voted for Liston, but it's hard to judge. Don't ask me why, but Foreman took a better punch during his comeback. More punches, too. In his prime, he was decked by a light hitter in Young, knocked out by another not so lethal puncher in Ali and nearly stopped by Lyle, who never stopped a live opponent. By contrast, Liston was only stopped when he was 37 years of age, though he did get knocked down by Marshall, arguably Ali and Earls late during his career.

Going with Liston here.

 

I could argue that Cleavland Williams was the equal of Ron Lyle as a puncher and Sony Liston took his shots without much trouble.

Also, I am less concerned about whether Jimmy Young was bigger than Marty Marshall than whether he hit harder.

 

All i see is a bunch of excuses for Foreman. I think Janitor makes a good point in comparing Williams vs Liston to Foreman vs Lyle. Liston fought Williams twice, took big punches, but showed both mental and physical fortitude in getting stoppage win without being put on his butt.

Boxing is rarely logical. If you watched boxing as you claim, then you should know this.

 

I'm still not convinced that Young actually knocked down Foreman with a punch.

Actually I should rather say that it was a punch/push situation.

 

Nevermind. After rewatching it, Foreman was clearly knocked down with a right to the side of the head. In his defense he had gassed out and was all over the place and off balance when he went down.

 

In all honesty, I don't think either Foreman or Liston really took that many flush shots from very many sluggers to verify one being more durable than the other.. Sure, they both fought a fair number of big hitters, but in most cases, their victims were dispatched before any real damage could be done, ie ( Foreman over Frazier and Liston over Williams. )In addition, both men were stopped by the same man, only one of them fell due to exhaustion while the other quit in his corner... It might speak something of their durability in a different sense, but not about their ability to take a hard shot on the chin..

If forced to choose, I might be inclined to give Foreman the narrow edge.. For one thing, he did rise off the canvas after being brutally decked twice by Lyle to win, and that came after a 15 month layoff and a devastating defeat.. I don't know if Liston would be able to do the same under such circumstances.. Not saying that he couldn't, but we just never witnessed it... Furthermore, when George was in his 40's, he did manage to take some flush shots from guys like Briggs, Moorer, Cooper, Stewart, Morrison, and Cooney... Of course, some of these guys were either not the hardest of hard hitters, shot, or just not fighting under ideal circumstances, but still.. Most of those guys could crack, and Foreman took their best shots at an age when he probably should have been fishing with his grandson..

 

Quote me where i said there is not a greater risk of injury as you get older.

I don't buy this better-era-argument. Terrel, Machen, Liston and Ali beat Williams. Ali, Foreman, Young and Ball beat Lyle. I don't see that much difference to be honest.

Oh that's right, because he was a grand total of ....... one year away from being seen as an undestructible being.

No, but Douglas hit Tyson with a shitload of punches. Ruddock didn't.

Quote me where I said that or stop putting words in my mouth.

Sorry, no extra points gained for lying or exaggerating.

Foreman did **** all for the first 6 rounds, yet he suffered a "heat stroke", while Young was running, ducking and jiving all the time? Believe whatever you want to and don't get out of your fantasy world where Foreman can't get knocked down without 50 excuses for it happening.

I don't really understand what you're arguing here. First, Foreman's knockdown doesn't count because at 26 years old, he was having a really hard time mentally and lacked focus. Then you mention Liston's knockout loss at 37 years of age. Should I let you find out yourself where you completely contradict yourself or do you need a hint?