But this is boxing. AJ's win will have harmed his career mileage far more than Fury's win against Klitschko. It's just a shame Tyson has shot himself in the foot with his bingeing. In terms of boxing, Fury's win was far better. AJ's was better from a fan and marketing perspective.
Fury's lifestyle has done far worse to his career than what AJ went through on Saturday. Fury looks awful for a 28 year old.
Yeah, I agree with this part. Plus, no one else has ever gone and outboxed Wlad. People have stopped him before, but never won a decision over him. That for me was the most impressive part of it.
I doubt it hurt AJ's mileage that much, if anything it made him a better fighter so he is unlikely to take too many beatings like that, he is a smart kid by the looks of it. Its likely that even in a rematch he will come in a lot more confident and ready for Wlad and make it an easier fight. in terms of physical damage yep I'd agree Tyson got off easy but he didn't get the pleasure of putting Klitschko down and out. Tyson irritated Wlad, Joshua beat him by devastating knock out. these guys are fighters, at some point they will take some punishment anyway, even Mayweather the defensive master has been in a few tough fights. If Tyson wants a career where he wont get hit at all it not really good in terms of boxing if you ask me, It depends on boxing terms what you think is a success. Ask AJ himself and by what he said already it sounds like he is glad he had to dig deep, ask questions or himself, be in a great fight, learn under fire. that sounds like decent boxing terms to me, a fight to remember as well. better than a boring win or getting someone out in one round, not being able to prove how great you are. I am a lot more impressed with AJ seeing that than if he blasted Wlad in one round. anyway rambling on now
I think Joshua can go one of two ways of the back of this epic win. Properly, and most likely, we expect him to grow as a fighter, work on those holes and weaknesses in his style, refine his boxing, and retain that confidence he's built from coming through such a tough fight. But there's also a danger he'll become addicted to the brawling and the slugging, the thrill of going toe-to-toe in these kinds of matches, confident no one will be able to live with him. Even if he's right for a while, the fights will take their toll or he'll run into a punch he can't take or come up against a boxer he can't get to. I've seen it before, fighters who fall in love with their power when they realize they can KO some of the best in the world, and fighters who like to get into brawls more often than they need to.
Atm Fury. Wlad was younger and hadn't lost in many years prior to their fight, Chisora for his faults is more proven than Whyte. But there isn't much in it. If Joshua does fight Pulev or Ortiz in his next fight and wins then he surpasses Fury.
For God sake lads are people really saying Joshua? Take a bloody day off, you're embarrassing yourselves. Fury beat 39 year old Wlad on an 11 year win streak and he done it in his backyard. Wlad at the time had a reputation for literally being unbeatable, especially on points. Nobody gave Fury a chance but he done the impossible and became lineal heavyweight champion of the world at just 27. He won the fight clearly and took zero punishment from an ATG with over 50 KO's on his record. It was a wonderful performance which completely nullified Wlads attack. Fury looked comfortable for every minute of the fight. Joshua went life and death with a 41 year old Wlad who was 18 months out of the ring and coming off a bad defeat. AJ fought him in his own city and while it was an excellent fight, he's a lucky boy he got through the crisis he encountered as Wlad outboxed him for most of the fight and dropped him heavily. Wlad looked destined to win the fight until AJ found a big uppercut and turned the fight around. AJ could have so easily lost this fight from a devastating KO and he only fought Wlad because Fury made the Ukranian look so bad. How anyone can even try to compare the wins as something similar, never mind classify AJ's as better is complete ignorance and idiocy. Fury's win is the far better win. Whytes struggle with an aging Chisora tells us that Fury's whitewash win over Derek in their second fight is a better win than Joshuas tough battle with Whyte. Tyson also took Dereks 0 away in their first fight while in his early 20's which was impressive. End of debate, there is no argument here for Joshua.
You omit that Joshua was only 18 fights in. Go and find a HW champion with a better record than AJ's after 19 fights. "AJ could have so easily lost this fight from a devastating KO and he only fought Wlad because Fury made the Ukranian look so bad." You really believe AJ only fought Vlad after Fury played tag for 12 rounds? If Fury mad Wlad look so bad and it was so easy for him why did Fury duck a rematch twice? Twice he avoided this fight yet you want to claim AJ only took a fight vs Wlad after Fury made him look so bad? AJ would of taken the fight regardless as he isn't ducking and will fight anyone. Unlike Fury, AJ has the luxury of being able to sell out arenas regardless who he fights so could of easily not fought Wlad if he wanted but he didn't. Also who cares if AJ could of lost by KO. Since when has a fighter knocked down and then gotten up to win been a negative? Does one look at Corrales getting off the floor twice v Castillo to win in dramatic fashion as some kind of bad thing or do they look at it as an amazing win from a fighter who looked beaten? Nobody after that fight said 'oh but Corrales nearly lost so it's not that great'. Like it or not AJ won in a way many a fighter would like to win.
I don't care how many fights AJ has had. He's a 27 year old man. The same age Tyson was when he went to Germany and actually beat a legitimate heavyweight champion - something AJ has never done. It doesn't matter if one started boxing at 2 years old and the other at 22 years old. Both men are the same age and must be judged as such. Eddie Hearn has practically stated in IFL that AJ wouldn't have fought Klitschko if Klit didn't look as bad as he did against Fury. So what are ypu talking about? In fact, this fight couldn't have been any better timed for AJ as Wlad was 41 and 18 months out of the ring coming up off a loss. It was now or never for a Wlad fight and they took a gamble knowing everyone would get filthy rich regardless of the outcome. Fury didn't duck a rematch you idiot. He went off the rails on drugs and drink having never gotten the credit he deserved for beating Wlad in Germany. The press Tyson was getting was disgusting, he's a flawed human being like the rest of us and went on the drugs. It had nothing to do with avoiding a rematch with. He played with Wlad for 12 rounds in Germany for God sake, why would he avoid a rematch in his own city? Sometimes lifes problems are a bit more important than a bloody boxing match. The point was that Fury beat Wlad with relative ease while AJ went life and death with him almost losing, he was in a very bad way for several rounds. Can you really not see the point I'm making? Fury showed he was a level of class above Wlad. AJ pulled a win out of nowhere having been outboxed and knocked down. You people are beyond belief. It's true what the Mayweathers say; "most people don't know **** about boxing"
I agree. The saddest thing is these Joshua fans really shouldn't need to feel so desperate to inflate this already excellent win at the expense of Tyson Fury. As things look at the moment, AJ is in a very good position to surpass Tyson Fury in good time anyway, moving forward nicely in his career, with widespread respect and real credibilty now, while Fury is tasked to shed 100 pounds and battling his doping/license issues. It seems almost spiteful for people to take away the things Fury did actually accomplish when he was in a better place.
And David Haye was injured yet he ducked Fury twice? You may believe that BS excuses team fury came up with but from where I'm looking Fury ducked to rematch twice as he couldn't deal with the work required. Poor Tyson all upset because the media didn't give him the credit he deserves, please. Don't talk about legitimate HW champions. Tyson Fury cannot even be called a legitimate champion. No legitimate champion defends there title zero times. There is nothing legitimate about that. He was a belt holder and no more than that.
Why are you talking about David Haye? I never said he ducked Fury. Didn't he have to get shoulder surgery when he pulled out of Fury fights? If so, he was obviously right to pull out of the fights. Of course Fury said Haye ducked him, fighters always say that when opponents pull out. If you don't think a man who tested positive for cocaine and blew up to 26 stone in a year has some mental health issues then you're just ignorant. Tyson is no angel but the man clearly has some issues, he's up and down like a yoyo. It suits your agenda to say he ducked Wlad. But anyone who knows anything about boxing without being biased knows Tysons style is kryptonite for Wlad. Fury would have won a rematch no problem if he had his head right. Your last paragraph is laughable and shows your true colours regarding Mr.Fury. like it or not, he beat the man when the man was on an 11 year win streak picking up all but one belt which makes him one of the most legitimate heavyweight champions of modern times.
It is a sad reflection on our society that we champion one fighter (and deservedly so) but we pick holes in another because of his ethnicity & ideological views. We're supposed to be a tolerant nation but the media couldn't wait to sink Fury's ship. That's taking away nothing from AJ. He deserves all the accolades...but so did Fury.
The thing was fury was on the verge of getting the accolades...the reasons joshuas getting more with the media is one it was an exciting fight. Two joshua has a better/more powerful promoter backing him. Three fury threw it away with his own stupidity. Do we really need to hear his rantings about how gays are evil etc. Thats what he believes fair enough totally entitled to his beliefs but dont try to put it on everyone. It was a guy that got media attention didnt have the proper people protecting him and enjoyed being listened to a bit too much. In this day and age of equality its not what the majority of people want to hear. Its the price you pay for that kind of opinion...some quarters will respect you for it and the majority wont. I dont think his ethnicity had anything to do with it...people were proud of fury. Actually think the travelling community use it as a crutch. Pretty sure they grow up getting brainwashed that we,re all against them. When the truth is people are a lot more about equality than we,ve ever been before. What their doing is...doing things that are wrong then blaming people for persecuting them. We understand they want to live alone...and be left to it. But its when they then try to intigrate on regular people they ve got to understand whats acceptable and whats not. I can listen to the furys all day...even bjs. He lets himself down a lot but hes an interesting character. If they d stop brainwashing them from young...and understand what is and isnt seen as acceptable with regular folks everyone would get on a whole lot better. The gypsys are interesting people that can and would be accepted but they let themselves down a lot because of it. I honestly think its because they dont have much education about how regular people live or want to live. It was true from the other side but in recent years the gypsies have tried to let people understand their ways a bit better.
