Who has the better resume?

What a useless post. 'Calzaghe didn't KO fighters twice his size'? Neither did Sugar Ray Robinson, Carlos Monzon or Muhammad Ali. This isn't a 'who is the bigger legend' thread, I don't know why you're trying to turn into one. Try talking about the quality of his opponents instead.

 

Ah yes, but we're not talking about Robinson, Ali or Monzon, are we? We're talking about Dempsey, who did ko fighters twice his size, as opposed to Calzaghe who fought in a narrowly defined weight class. This is a major difference between Dempsey and Calzaghe's "resumes."

Actually, you're the one who got me interested in this thread with your comment about Dempsey's cv being "average." That struck me as the silliest thing I read on the classic forum in days, but some of you guys continue to outdo yourselves.

 

George Bellows and James M Flagg painted Dempsey

 

It's comfortably one of the weakest eras in heavyweight history (especially 'white' fighters). The very best he fought beat him- twice and mostly looked a class above him. Dempsey annexed the title from one of the very worst champions in heavyweight history and defended very sparingly against light heavies and fighters he'd already easily KO'd. Obviously Carpentier and Gibbons were quality fighters but the former was just too small and the latter made Jack look foolish for much of their fight.

 

By the way, If someone want to pick apart Calzaghe's record, don't bother. I don't give two ****s about it. I've just been waiting for an opportunity to sprinkle a dose of reality onto Dempsey's title reign. :good

 

By the way, I was always impressed with his dismantling of Willard...loaded gloves or not.

 

He didn't just annex the title from a weak champion, he destroyed a man 50-60 pounds heavier than he, who had an ATG chin, who had literally killed in the ring with his punch. Gibbons didn't make Jack look foolish, he ran and held the whole fight, he wasn't trying to win, he was trying to survive. And when Dempsey lost to Tunney he was past his prime, yet still was the only man to knock Tunney down. Oh, and Dempsey never Easily KO'd Miske before he won the title, as a matter of fact, their title fight was the only time Miske was ever KO'd.

 

If Dempsey read this thread he'd turn in his grave

 

Your argument seems to soley consist of 'Jack's a legend" "Jack had his portrait painted" "Jack was very popular". We know this. He probably even gets into my all-time Top 10 Heavies because of his historical worth. That doesn't make his title reign great. It wasn't.

 

Jack was the type of person that would recognize that he had a fairly weak title reign and that he didn't defend the title enough, but that doesn't mean he was any less a great fighter.

 

I was referring to Brennan, who he KO'd previously. I did credit him some with the Willard performance by Jess was one of the worst champs of all-time; even back then he was regarded as someone whose heart wasn't quite in the fight game. Dempsey 'past his prime'? Well, he could have been. But when was his prime- 1921/22 or earlier perhaps? It's not as if he was fighting every few months to show the world the 'peak' version.

 

Jack was the kind of fighter who saw fit to lambast latter day men and glorify his own era, e.g. "Clay wasn't in the class of Tommy Gibbons". :huh

 

Willard wasn't a natual fighter, but he did have loads of heart, as seen during his fights with Dempsey, Johnson and his final fight against Luis Firpo. I'd say Dempsey's prime years were around 1918-1922/23.

 

Yeah, like how he said that Marciano was the hardest punching heavyweight of all time because he only needed one solid punch to end things where as he (Dempsey) needed to knock his opponents down several times. He also praised Joe Louis and Max Shchmeling. If Dempsey said Gibbons was better than Clay, I'm sure it's because he genuinly respected and admired Gibbons who he had shared the ring with, as opposed to Clay who only began fighting by the time Dempsey was 65 years old.

 

You shouldn't have mentioned Marciano. Next up we'll probably get a report card on him too now we've finished trashing Dempsey. They'll probably give Marciano a B- because he got decked by a lightheavyweight