Who has the greater legacy, Anthony Joshua or Deontay Wilder?

I never said he sucks so bad. Just that is resume is weak AF for all his fanboys to crown him a top 5 HW atg...

 

If Joshua fought an Usyk who had been 300lbs and "retired" less than a year earlier then "successfully defended his title" by getting a draw in a fight 90% of the public thought he'd lost, no, I wouldnt count that on Joshuas resume.

 

Wilder didn't win the fight. It was a draw.

Fury outlanded Wilder by 13 punches in the whole fight. Wilder scored two knockdowns.

No heavyweight champion in the entire history of the sport has ever floored a challenger twice in a fight and lost his title on points.

Wilder successfully defended his title.

If you preferred Fury landing 13 more jabs over 12 rounds, making faces, and admitting he was unconscious on the way down the second time he got floored ... before being jolted back to consciousness when his head hit the floor ... fine.

But Wilder successfully defended for the eighth time against him in their first meeting, left the ring as the champion with the belt, and continued defending that title for another year or so ... and leaving it off his resume is biased.

I don't see a lot of people leaving successful defenses off anyone's resumes, especially when they floored their challenger twice in the fight and those knockdowns are the only thing memorable about the fight itself.

 

Nonsense. All your threads bash Wilder.

All of them.

 

You mean like the nearly six years older, retired Fury who was 300 pounds a couple months ago who Usyk is about to fight?

If Usyk floors Fury twice and it's a draw in their fight next, and Usyk successfully defends his belts, that doesn't go on Usyk's resume? Give me a break.

Wilder made 10 successful title defenses. But the one you choose to leave off is the one that would be the best result on Usyk's resume or Joshua's resume or anyone elses if they had it on theirs - a two-knockdown, 12-round successful defense against Fury.

You are just being biased. Simple as that.

 

Spinks out landed Holmes in their 2nd fight and yet most fans consider that fight a robbery.

Fury out landed Wilder in 9 out of the 12 rounds it was a very uneventful fight outside of the knockdowns. But most people saw Fury winning most of the rounds outside of the knockdowns.

Well it's not really the norm that you see Heavyweight champions being knocked down multiple times and seeing the final bell. It doesn't mean you can't win a decision because you got knocked down twice, the fight is scored on a round by round basis and most people saw Fury winning atleast 8 rounds.

Carl Williams got floored twice by James Tillis and still won a clear decision.

As you keep saying but i've already said it depends how legit you think it is.....Most fans considered it a bad decision hence there's a major asterisks over the decision and the 115-111 scorecard for Wilder was criminal.

Of course they do especially when there's major controversy over the decision, Wilder's "Draw" over Fury has a major asterisks over it that most fans think he lost.

Yes the fight was uneventful so what ? Fury won most of the quiet rounds and Wilders 2 knockdowns wern't enough to overcome that in most peoples eyes. Mathematically unless you had an even round which i personally didn't see any even rounds, you'd have to have Wilder winning 5 rounds and i think that is a stretch to say the least.

Most people have it 8-4 or 9-3 for Fury including Wilder's 2 knockdowns making it 114-112, or 115-111 for Fury.

 

Lmao.

The night Wilder was humiliated, you want to turn into a success story?

Flagrant robberies are never held in high esteem.

 

Joshua has the deeper resume, yet I suspect that Wilder will be remembered with a bit more respect because of his crushing power.

 

Good points. Yes, DW was fortunate to get the draw. Essentially a unanimous view in Britain and w/ some US analysts agreeing.

When Joe Frazier was rising in the ranks he met rugged Oscar Bonavena in 1966. OB decked Joe twice in one of the early rounds. The 3 KD rule was in effect and if Oscar was less crude he likely would've stopped Joe. Those were the only KDs. Frazier won on a SD. Some fans at MSD booed the decision. A draw would have been a reasonable outcome.

Anyway, even at HW, the fighter having been KD (more) doesn't always lose the fight. Another example Wlad-Peter I.

I think the AJ vs. Wilder legacy question is up for grabs. If and when they fight (before senior circuit ages ) will go a long way to answering the question.

 

Oh, dear. . Seeing this thread reminds me why i rooted for Fury against Wilder. But then Fury fans become even worst, and what is even worst is that Wilder and Fury fans, cause it's pretty much what they have in term of resume are rooting for each other, and the picture is a complete mess.

Just looking at AJ resume you see 3 names that Wilder ducked with everything he got.

It's funny though how Wilder run like a scared coward from Povetkin, claiming he will never fight him, cause he was a "drug" cheat or something like that, which was a clear setup by the corrupt WBC to protect their paper champion. Not to even mention that meldonium was pretty much "banned" because of USA trying to hit the Russian athletes. With pretty much zero evidence. It wasn't a problem all the way to like 10 years ago, but suddenly it become a PED, cause Russian athlete was s**** on the Americans. Like we don't know who are actually the biggest drug cheats and how they cover their *****.
By i digress. Anyway Povetkin meldonium quantity found was way below the allowed limit for a substance, so he basically was 100% clean and fit to go. Not to mention he was cleared after that straight away, magically just after Wilder ducked him. And there was a case, and he won it.
Still Wilder run from him like a plague, and claiming he would never fight a "drug" cheat or so.
Just for him to fight Stiverne, who popped for actual PED, then Ortiz, then Fury who is a proven drug cheat. One of the biggest duck in Boxing history that Fury and Wilder won't even dare to mention.
And btw same Wilder that somehow in a no time gained 20 pounds of pure muscle with zero fat. Same Wilder that from Ortiz 2, to Fury 2, aka 3 months time. gained 5.5kg.(12 pounds) again of literally muscle with zero fat.
Yeah we surely believe in magic.

It's one thing to say you believe that Wilder will beat AJ, it's better fighter, boxer, more power, etc, etc, aka opinion, but when we are talking about resume there is no comparison at all.

There is a reason why my ignore list is so long, as trying to have a normal discussion with obvious biased trolls that don't know they are trolls is absolutely useless. Why should anyone waste any time with people like that is beyond me.

And lastly Parker, who is not even top 2 win for AJ, when he was unbeaten and a World Champion, will be Wilder best win by a far, speaks volume about their resume. And this is a faded version of Parker that is already been beaten multiple time + was beaten badly and KOed by Joyce.

 

None of that will matter.

Dubble only counts knock-downs scored by a current HW Titleist, in a fight that goes the full distance.

Any other divisions, or fights not for titles don't count.