Who has the greater legacy, Anthony Joshua or Deontay Wilder?

Congratulations.

 

Of course he didn't, the man was off having a two year come binge.

But AJ was the best active HW from winning his title to losing his title.

 

Based on achievements? Joshua, and not remotely close.

But... It's not always achievements that make a fighter memorable... and because of Wilder's high KO%, which is always endearing to fans, and his far less sterile personality, he's perhaps more likely to live on in the conversation despite (or perhaps even because of, if you assume he'd have taken and lost the AJ fight and thereby been a shorter reigning champion in a dominated era) the very limited resume.

 

"But AJ was the best active HW from winning his title to losing his title."

So Joshua was the best from the point of beating Martin (Whyte was considered a nobody when Joshua beat him and hadn't beat Chisora at this point), despite Joshua not even being rated in Ring's top 5 at the end of 2016. How?

 

DDDDD

You do realise that I’m older than you by more than a decade, “son”.

This is a phrase that insecure little man shout, trying to assert some sort of dominance I presume. It was hilarious when your idol tried the same on Usyk at the presser who is older than him.

Even your trash talk is weak.

Son

 

"DDDDD"

See what I mean?

Grow up son.

 

The honesty is refreshing.

Takam has heart, "Scuba Scott" does not.

 

Wilder has heart, AJ does not.

 

Exactly...

When you hold a belt, everyone wants to fight you and try to take it - it's easy to get good fights made.

When you have a fighter with the opportunity to make good fights who doesn't, they're either protected or they just don't want the smoke... Or in other words, either their team doesn't really rate them, or they don't even rate themselves - either way, there's a reason to question their claimed level, there.

 

Joshua’s legacy will be that he failed to get in the ring with Wilder or Fury.

He QUIT against an obese middleweight and got schooled twice by a midget feather fisted cruiser.

his cv is chock full of shot old names and tier two fodder.

quantity doesn’t make up for the lack of quality for me, but I understand there are a contingent of top trumps fans who think ten shot kubrat pulevs is greater than one tyson fury. Boxing doesn’t work that way for me, as a historian of the game.

 

What do you mean how?

Fury was doing drugs and Wilder had only beaten Stiverne who was considered an awful champion.

AJ was the best of a bad bunch.

 

Stiverne had at least beaten top 10 Arreola x2 for the title and didn't quit against Wilder, Martin won his belt almost via default against Glazkov and didn't show anywhere near the chin or heart in his 1st defence.

Wilder had three defences and a higher ranking at the point that Joshua "dethroned" Martin. It was only after Joshua beat Fury-victim Wlad that he started being considered the consensus No.1 (though he never beat the man, so it was always subjective/contentious) but people may have a very different view of who was No.1 retrospectively, given what happened later. Fury was still ranked above Joshua by Ring in 2018 despite his inactivity too.

 

"When you hold a belt, everyone wants to fight you and try to take it - it's easy to get good fights made."

Why was Vitali defending against such pedestrian opposition while WBC champ then? Were all the better boxers in the division ducking him?

 

"but I understand there are a contingent of top trumps fans who think ten shot kubrat pulevs is greater than one tyson fury."

They are wilfully dishonest and apply totally different standards based on whether they like the boxer in question or not. For instance, what would Riddick Bowe's legacy be without the Holyfield trilogy? He'd have no real positive legacy. No one actually believes that all of his other 40+ wins combined amount to more than going 2-1 with Holyfield. He'd also be seen as a far bigger duck than he is now. He'd be considered a complete joke.