Who has the greater legacy - Felix Trinidad or Joe Calzage?

I cant believe there was even a thread for this... Joe's legacy wont even reach Tito's legacy in 1999 at the point where Tito beat Whitaker... not even if he beats a faded Jones.

 

Trinidad's legacy through 1998 was no better than Calzaghe at this point.

The next 3 years, especially the four fight period in a year and half where Trinidad beat Reid, Vargas, and Joppy...is really what sets him above Calzaghe.

 

Trinidad=Legend

That is a fact whether you like it or not.

 

Are you telling me Bernard Hopkins had more to offer as a fighter than Whitaker did when he fought TIto?

Aside from Hopkins and Jones, who else is on DLH level that Cal beat? KEssler is a still a notch below fernando VArgas.

 

Maybe, but I still think Tito acomplished more than Joe even if you look at Tito's legacy up to 1998.

Camacho = Hopkins
Maurice Blocker= Eubanks
Yori boy Campas(the next Chavez) = Lacy
Oba carr = Kessler

 

Kessler was much more proven than Carr. Kessler had won 2 world title belts and 5 title bouts. Siaca, Mundine, Andrade, and Beyer may not be greats or anything, but they were ranked contenders or title-holders that Kessler handily beat. Carr was well-hyped on USA TNF, but largely untested. His biggest test was a gift over the aged Livingstone Bramble.

Lacy may have been more proven than Campas, but in retrospect, Campas was probably the better fighter.

Blocker was pretty shot IMO, Eubank was long in the tooth and took the fight on short notice. Camacho wasn't really a real highly regarded contender when Trinidad beat him. He had been declining for awhile and after the Chavez beating Camacho was more or less going off his name rather than beating real quality guys. The win over Hopkins was better, although I thought Calzaghe fought crappy in that fight.


Calzaghe had some other decent wins in there. Nothing special, but most of Tito's opposition pre-199 was rather blahh too.

 

so do I but Kessler is no PRime DLH.

 

But we still agree Tito's legacy is better right?

 

let's be serious.

comparing tito's legacy to joe's is a complete slap in the face (no pun intended) to tito.

that's just a complete lack of education and if anyone wants to waste their time trying to defend joe on this one i'm waiting.

 

I voted for Trinidad, and said on the first page that he was my choice, but I disagreed with the "up to 1999" part. It was the 1999-2001 period that really set Tito above. Trinidad wasn't getting the fights he wanted (and deserved) at that point, because Don King was too busy focusing on Tyson and Chavez back then.

 

I rank these two very close in p4p terms (I think I had Tito 17th and Joe Cal 18th in my Top 25 Fighters of the Past 25 Years thread a while back), but legacy-wise it has to be Tito. Better resume, more titles at more weight divisions etc. However, I think it's a lot closer than this poll and thread suggest. I've always thought Tito was a bit overrated because people love a guy with power.

 

:good

 

If you like that, you'll love the Castillo-Calzaghe thread. As I always have, I just call it like I see it. If that makes me a hater, I'm happy to be one!