Who has the greater legacy: RJJ or Hopkins?

Jones, and it's not even close by H2H or resume.

Hopkins has become overrated recently, Jones has become severely underrated.

 

Sorry, but anybody who watches boxing OR boxes will tell you that ring age is different than normal age.

Hopkins took better care of his body. It is not a coincidence that Jones never looked the same after coming down from HW. He doesn't look the same now....not only fighting wise, but BODY wise.

Jones was past his prime....Jones had been slowing down for a while, this just accelerated it.

 

Hey KG,

Would you consider competing in our 'predictions league'? It's not too late to join, but in a few more weeks it will be.

 

Actually he does. Lets be honest here. I am not a Tarver fan, but he didn't look the same after losing that weight from the movie. But even if it was the best version of Tarver.....Jones beat a HW. That trumps a win over Tarver.

And Jones beat Tarver as well....regardless of what some think, it was a win in the books and a majority on this site especially felt Jones won the fight. Hopkins didn't fight Tarver 3 times...and remember, Tarver has never lost a rematch (thought Hopkins would beat him again I think).

I don't think the Tarver win is bigger than the Ruiz win.

 

Well we will agree to disagree. I think that the weight combined with his age caused his decline. And his body didn't look the same in the 2nd fight as it did when he was originally at LHW.

But you have your opinion and I have mine, and thats cool by me. Hopkins is an excellent fighter.

 

How do you join? Is it on the board and I just missed it?

 

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16239

Just post your predictions for the selection of fights each week, this is the current week.

If you haven't seen any of these guys, then just make a prediction using 'judging record' skills, it's fun to see who can get what right. This week is slow, so there is only a poor selection, but all serious fights are always added, as well as FNF fights.

If you'd like to see the scoring system, I will send that also.

 

Toney also lost to Jones, won fewer titles and wasn't ever really a MW. He himself said he could have fought at CW from the get go. Toney had a very mediocre run in his prime too.....disappeared with no title for 7 years.

Toney was a better HW than Jones, but not a better fighter.

But we are comparing Jones and Hopkins. And Jones beat a HW titlist and I don't feel you can erase that. Hopkins beat Tarver but so did Jones.

Like I said, agree to disagree.

 

Socring system would be cool....thanks Amsterdam.

 

Not going to argue a fact. If you don't believe Jones won....so be it. I do, and so did the judges.

Primes don't end a specific age. Archie Moore fought competitively longer than many fighters that are greater than himself.

 

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13903

Original week with the scoring system. The scoring system allows for anyone who enters within the first month to stay in the game and get to the top competition after a month or so if you keep a solid basis.

I only pick 1 or 2 easy ones a week, so it's up for grabs and will run until the end of the year, when we crown the champ, runner up and third place 'picker'.

Hope to get more guys involved...

 

The wins are hardly the same, but Jones was clearly not the same fighter where as Hopkins has aged much better. That is apparent to anyone. Not just because of the Tarver loss, but also the Johnson loss.

Like I said, in his prime, Jones never had close fights, not against contenders, elites, or champions and even ATG. That has to be taken into account as well. Hopkins dominated Tarver....Jones dominated Ruiz, who was much much larger than Jones. (Toney wasn't much smaller than Ruiz when they fought right?)

 

No way, you will convince no one that Hopkins is smaller than Jones. Hopkins was always a big MW and when he was at LHW, he was bigger than Jones was there too. Training a certain way kept Hopkins at that weight class. Jones had to train to get bigger, and was always smaller than the LHW he fought.

And Hopkins wasn't more consistant. You keep talking about Jones losses....Hopkins has more losses to Jones, including one to Jones.

 

the losses are what hurts jones, the title defenses is what helps hopkins

 

No such thing as real losses. He wasn't robbed and lost close fights.

Hopkins trained to be skinnier than Jones. Jones trained to move up in weight.

Hopkins was bigger at LHW than Jones was at LHW.

Start a thread on who the larger fighter is out of the two.