Who has the greater legacy: RJJ or Hopkins?

Good points made here :good

 

RJJ bya mile, it ain't even close IMO.

 

rjj is not helping his legacy with this "comeback" it may even be described as tarnishing what he has achevied before which was ground-breaking however hopkins is going the oppisite way after it looked like his stock was going down after taylor a win over the man at light heavyweight (incidentially rjj conquerer) and wright who hadnt lost in how many years on top of the fact he goes on the list of some of the greatest middleweights of all time, its hard to measure up

:boxer

 

your're lookin at this in a h2h aspect. if this was the way things were based on rjj must be the best of all time, cause no one else dominated his opponents like him, had speed like him, lost the least number of rounds at him etc.... if you're taking into account the way rjj dominated his opponents, you might as well take into account hopkins longetivity. how he accopmlished things in his advanced age is a marvel as well.

how come you think his opponests/achievements are better than hopkins??

roy: titles at 160, 168, 175, hvy weight, best wins: Hopkins, Toney, Ruiz, Griffin, Woods, Harmon, Harding, Gonzales, and Hill.

hopkins: MW defense record, title at 175, best wins: best wins include trinidad, DLH, Winky, Eastman, echols, joppy, glen johnson, tarver. (hopkins can possibly still add to this)

their resumes and accomplishments are more or less comparable. id even go on a limb, and say hopkins is slightly better.

 

If Tarver is going to be on Hopkins list, he must be on Jones list as well.

The only thing that makes this comparable is the fact that Hopkins has the MW record. But remember, Jones defended his LHW title 11 times, so he is no slouch there. And that HW title win IMO is the deal breaker.

Hopkins best wins are DLH, Trinidad, and Wright...but he beat them when they were not at their best weights. Jones best wins are Hopkins, Toney, and Hill, but all at their peak weights (Toney is debatable here) and Hopkins was the larger man in all of those fights. Jones best wins never fought below Jones weight class.

 

You saved me some typing.

Moreover, h2h is important here.

Roy should have retired after Ruiz (or definitely after Tarver (1) )

If he had, we wouldn't be having this debate. Rather, we would be asking, based on resume and accomplishments, is Roy one of the two or three best ever in any division?

But like many before him (notably Ali) he just couldn't give up that limelight.

I'm a big Hopkins fan.

As individuals, I would probably enjoy a few jars with Hopkins more than meeting Roy.

But as boxers, Roy was better.

 

How about against Hopkins himself? :rofl

 

I've got to give you credit for disclosing your bias.

I too prefer Hopkins as a person.

 

Hopkins, better opponents, better wins, willing to fight anyone, never knocked out either.

 

I picked Hopkins solely because I think he's the fighter with superior skill. Jones is more of an athlete than Hopkins, but Hopkins has more going on upstairs.

 

No actually you don't have to factor that in.

How does getting KO'd by a lucky punch...yes lucky punch by Tarver and then beaten up and KO'd by Glenn Johnson, when Jones was waaaay past his best erase all he did prior??? It doesn't.

Just like Ali throwing in the towel against Holmes, Louis getting pummeled by Marciano, Foreman losing to Morrisson, Holyfield getting outboxed and TKO'd by that Fat ****......none of their legacys are tarnished. :deal

Jones beat Hopkins and Toney when they were both in their, at least Physical, Primes. He dominated the sport like no other for a long time. He did things in the ring that you didn't think were possible, made professional boxers look like bus drivers picked off the street. He moved up from middleweight and won the Heavyweight title.

Jones has the better legacy. Also look at it this way, Hopkins very well could be the "naturally" bigger of the two, he certainly looks bigger at 175lbs than Jones does. :deal

 

no.

Jones beating Ruiz is more impressive to me than Hopkins beating Hoya and Tito. All of Hopkins signature wins are against much smaller opponents. :deal

 

If both retired now, Jones definitely.


But as Hopkins is still not done being a top caliber fighter, there are still hills left to climb so for me, this is an enduring question that may not be clearly answered till both guys call it quits.

 

Jones could very well regain a title at 168lbs or 175lbs :deal

 

Now your just being silly :nut

We'll see though. After he knocks Tito into next bolivian, he will get a title shot. :deal :deal :deal