Who has the greater legacy: RJJ or Hopkins?

He showed a ton of heart in the first fight with Tarver....but his last fight with Tarver was crap.

Hopkins clearly lost his first fight as well, though being his first fight many may want to give him a pass. But would Jones have gotten one? I doubt it.

Jones lost 3 times clearly to Hopkins 2 times, and if you count past Jones prime losses you have to count before Hopkins prime losses as well. They are all out of prime.

Jones wins were even more dominant and clear than Hopkins, and I daresay he challenged himself more. That may be subjective, but it is how I view it. Even objectively it is clear that Jones best wins are better than Hopkins best.

 

No, you aren't being objective and you apply a double standard something you have been called on before. People can always hide behind the "telling it like it is" and think that justifies something. When fact seperates from what you say, it no longer applies.

You hate Jones, you have proven so in this thread and it is more than obvious.

BTW, Jones was no where close to being the GOAT. He would have had to have beaten Lewis and Byrd to move into that discussion and that wasn't happening. :deal

 

In terms of overall legacy, you have to factor in that Jones was knocked out twice in severe fashion. I realize this was on the end of his career, but it's a blemish that Hopkins does not have. He is taking big challenges and rising above them on the end of his career. What Taylor goes on to do magnifies how great it was for Hopkins to be competitive in both of those fights as well. It will be interesting when it is all said and done.

 

As a huge fan of hopkins i voted to close to call but in reality its jones by a thread

btw its not a simple question

 

He's saying if Jones wanted to be the greatest of all time, he needed to beat Lewis and Byrd at least.

 

RJJ is one of the best MW is history, not only that he is a former HW champ. I'm inclened to say he beat better opponents than Hopkins at MW.

 

Be specific, please.

 

Hopkins himself is Jones best MW win....but Hopkins has a longer MW resume. Hopkins is a better win than anyone he ever beat obviously, since he only lost 3 times there and Taylor isn't better than the Hopkins Jones beat IMO.

 

They're the best fighters either of them encountered. I don't deny that, but I see Hopkins obviously as having a better run at Middleweight than Jones.

 

How would Jones have become the GOAT...not factoring in his losses, Jone still isn't in my top 20 ATG and I am a fan.

Your whatever is taken as what it is....you have posts in here that say Jones sucks and never was good.

You said Virgil Hill was past it at age 34 but Jones was prime at the same age....all the while arguing that Hopkins wasn't past it at the same age as Jones was when he got KO'd so 34 wasn't past it for anyone. Thats contradicting, and until you can explain the logic there, it looks bad. You refused to acknowledge after many attempts that fighters age differently, but had no answer when Hill was brought up.

 

It appears you can't read any better than you can write.

 

Tell me what are Hopkins' best wins at MW?

Trinidad and De La Hoya? Winky Wright?

 

Glen Johnson?

Winky Wright was at 170lbs... did you watch it or follow it? It just happened recently.

 

Certainly he did. Maybe a better run than anyone. I am saying that the best fighter Jones beat at MW was Hopkins, so maybe that's what he means about him beating better fighters.

This really comes down to what you put more emphasis on....wins or losses IMO.

 

Think again, manlovin.

Ali was 31 when he lost to Norton.

He was faaaar from shot. He still had two victories over Norton, two over Frazier and one over Foreman IN HIS FUTURE.

Roy was 35 and Shot.