Azumah Nelson or Terry Norris? Both these guys fought on the undercard of Chavez fights a lot, so they didn't really get to be the highlight of events sometimes, which IMO, is a reason they are not talked about more today. Both could also be inconsistent at times, but when they were at their best they were something. So who has the greater legacy?
I think Azumah does. He was more consistent throughout his prime and fought a lot more live opponents than what Norris did. To clinch the deal Azumah had great longevity and continued to compete on a world class level until his late 30's.
Agreed. On the surface, Norris may have some bigger names in the win column, but almost none of them were in their primes. Additionally, Nelson was only Ko'd once in his career and that was in a 15 round fight against Sanchez. The rest of his losses were decisions to great fighters who were at their peaks, and he has a number of good wins against prime fighters. He also never lost to some of the less than good fighters that Norris lost to, and like you say, was competitive to a much later stage in life.
I like this question. I like Norris of course because of his unlimited prowess and speed. Nelson is a good blue collar fighter but not quite good enough because he lost to Whitaker which of course would never happen to Norris. Which would I rather have, the durability and strength of Nelson or the ability to effortlessly move in and out and beat the other man to the punch like Terry Norris. Remember, Norris had an excellent defense. When Norris fought he was so good that he won with surprisingly little effort. He beat Leonard so easily that he actually made Leonard look like a washed up fighter. Then came the Curry fight-I knew a man who thought Curry would win but afterward remarked "I knew he was good but I didn't know he was THAT GOOD" I have this recurring dream that haunts me from time to time-it goes like this: Leonard keeps beating arch foe Roberto Duran on easy decisions. This happens every time but then he keeps getting matched with Norris and each time looks like he'll finally take it. But each time keeps falling short. After failing two successive attempts this gets pretty depressing but after losing five straight to the same man I think it's time to face facts. As good as Ray Leonard was, he was no Terry Norris. In a way I am happy that he is beating Duran because he looks brilliant and gets huge amount of praise for the wins but then he keeps losing to Norris which leaves a bittersweet feeling with me. It is very sad :|
dont forget that terry norris actually went down to 149 to fight meldrick taylor and after losing to a p4p fighter by simon brown, everyone thought he was finished. Then he has the rematch and easily outboxes him, that showed he had the ability to come back from a devastating loss. Everyone tries to act like mugabi was so washed up, please he was the champion, you fight whats there. Norris took him apart in one ****in round. People try to act like norris dodged a few opponents, please i'm positive john david jackson and gianfranco rosi avoided him becuase he would have easily beat both, especially rosi.
Ahuh. Norris was willing to fight anyone - UNDER his own natural weight class that is. I never once heard him call out Julio Cesar Vasquez, but he was calling out Julio Cesar Chavez every chance he got, and was fighting Meldrick Taylor, Donald Curry, Sugar Ray Leonard, Simon Brown and Jorge Vaca. What do they all have in common? They all weren't natural junior middleweights. And a few of them have something else in common: they were past their primes.
Red, do you think Norris beats a Pernell Whitaker level fighter who is a natural 168 pounder (which is the equivalent of Nelson coming from 126 to fight Pea at 135) ? I dont think Norris beats Whitaker in a p4p sense, but a bigger version of Whitaker? Well, I know you'll say yes. That goes without saying. But no one else not named Terry Norris would say yes. Norris had no intention of moving up. He was more intent on bullying little guys around (and sometimes got bullied himself by them). To go along with his grantie chin. We saw it against Brown and Jackson. Heck we saw a cokehead Curry wobble him and tag him repeatedly. Yep, he made Leonard look like a 35 year old. Oh, hang on a minute... You found a man that thought Curry would win after losing to the likes of Jacquot and Nunn lopsidedly? Now that is something! He must have been shocked by the way Norris handled him. I question whether you think this is only a dream. There, there Red, you'll get over it one day mate!
norris had a few fights at welterweight and he said he could make 147 when he called out chavez, that implies he was a welterweight that moved up. How was meldrick taylor so much past his prime when he was in the p4p rankings, is he the smaller fighter, yeah he is. But please is this the first time a smaller fighter goes up in weight, uh no. If simon brown was able to ko norris and make 1 defence of his belt, that implies he still had the ability to perform at world level. I can guarantee he was in the p4p rankings when norris outboxed him, he had to be, norris was top 5 p4p at the time he lost to him. I dont get the huge 'he avoided vazquez like the plague' bull****. Terry Norris fought them all at 154, mugabi, jacquot, pettway, paul vaden. and several other beltholders. While vazquez littered his resume with a crapload of nobodies. Sure he could get kod, but not if he takes him seriously, which would result in him outboxing vazquez. Terry Norris calls out everyone under his own weightclass even though he beat 5 154 beltholders and i never ever heard rosi or john david jackson demand a unification with him, they know he would beat them. Gianfranco, the cutie, yeah his style aint gonna work, outboxing norris, haha good luck with that. He fought steve little, quincy taylor, buster drayton, julian jackson, mugabi, jacquot, castro, daniels, luis santana, paul vaden, and vincent pettway. Thats 11 men that were beltholders at either 154 or higher and he gets labelled as a bully that picks on small fighters, lol.