Who Has The More Impressive Resume? Sergey Kovalev, Carl Froch Or Mikkel Kessler?

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Who Has The More Impressive Resume? Sergey Kovalev, Carl Froch Or Mikkel Kessler?

Poll closed Mar 5, 2020.
  1. Sergey Alexandrovich Kovalev

    40.7%
  2. Carl Martin Froch

    53.7%
  3. Mikkel Kessler

    5.6%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Excellent post tinman.:beer-toast1: Don't disagree with a word of it.:deal:
     
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  2. elbonzoseco

    elbonzoseco Member Full Member

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    It's all about context, nuance and how resume is defined. Every fight is just a point in time and fighters do change. If by resume, only the names and on a piece of paper are relevant, then it's clearly not the best way to rank fighters. And by the way, I really don't think there is a point in ranking fighters in general after they have retired. I know I will always be more partial towards Kovalev and Kessler than to Ward and Froch, based on a multitude of factors. It is entertainment after all.
     
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  3. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Chilemba rates 7/10 ..Arthur Abraham only got rated 5/10.

    Post Kolavev , Chilemba went 1-3-0

    Post Froch , Arthur went 16-4-0. During that time he became WBO champ twice and racked up a number of title defenses.

    Arthur had a better career than Chilemba and his win aged better than Chimemba's.

    I would rate AA 7/10 and IC 5/10
     
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  4. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    It's clearly and obviously Kovalev ..yet you have to moan about the Froch voters to make your argument. I was expecting a decent argument for Krusher looking at the size of your post but it descended into the usual empty platitudes of - if you don't agree you're either this , that or the other.

    Funnily enough by the end of it all you actually agree that Froch has the better resume between the two. :qmeparto:
     
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  5. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    My point clearly flew over your head.
     
  6. iii

    iii Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ha! Good one...
    I love Dino's post's,makes me smile or even laugh, every single time
     
  7. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Easily Froch. And I don't know how you can class Kov's win over Bhop a 9/10 win. On what planet is a win over a 49 year old man who can literally get old any minute now, shot and just about scraped by a guy who's had 14 fights considered 9/10?

    49 years old!!!

    My God. lol.

    Froch clearly has the best resume. As for the best fighter, well H2H, Kovalev as he's bigger, but p4p, Froch. Had Froch been the same size as Kovalev, he probably stops Ward. You guys underestimate how much of a difference size and height advantage can have at that level.
     
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  8. northpaw

    northpaw Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Kovalev, the amount of high level "boxers" as in purists that he actually "outboxed" and decimated is amazing. He's pretty much proven superior as a boxer or puncher over nearly every style he encountered. Even with the losses against Ward (the apex level predator both guys faced), he was definitely fairly close to being his equal from a pure skill set standpoint IMO. And his other loss, he was comfortably outboxing the opponent (a Cuban no less) when he got caught. In the rematch he once again outboxed him. Froch always struggled with certain styles his entire career, Kovalev could get work done off the front of backfoot against all styles, this is their difference and why Kovalev's resume is better. He did it and looked fairly good against all styles faced.
     
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  9. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council banned Full Member

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    Kovalev stands above Froch and Kessler
     
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  10. Liquorice

    Liquorice Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Same people who won't credit Kovalev with the robbery loss to Ward are probably the same ones who spent months telling us how Direll beat Froch :lol:

    Carl's resume is excellent but a lot of his wins are over men who earned there stripes at a different weight category & if you're gunna point out the ageless freak Bhops age then at least point out Glen Johnsons age too..

    Difference is.. age aside that Humphrey Hopkins would still have beaten most of Carl's resume considering he'd recently beaten Cloud, Pascal & Shumenov & a lot of Carl's wins really did very little as SMWs unlike Hopkins at LHW..
     
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  11. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Froch
    Kovalev
    Kessler
     
  12. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    I think many of the intelligent boxing fans take the various factors of resume (the contexts the wins took place under) into consideration when gauging resumes.

    But yes, I absolutely agree with you on that. Its not as simple as names on the paper.
     
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  13. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    only by 3cm
     
  14. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Im reading it but have to disagree with much of your scoring of the wins.
    I believe you have to look at the fighter in the division they were in and how they were performing in a said division rather than what they did in a different division.

    For example you have rated Frochs win over Pascal at SMW very highly and Kesslers win over Beyer a lot less, but are not looking at the divisions in question.
    Pascal had not been overly impressive at SMW whereas although Beyer had some bad losses, he also had some good wins and results and is a far greater SMW than Pascal.


    Now I think Kessler is the greater as he was a 39-0 unified champ having beaten many of the top SMWs around his era at that time

    Ward is highly rated now and had Kovalev have got the decision in the first fight he may have had claim imo, but even then, it would have been beating a former SMW with no top wins at the weight

    I think it would go Kessler, Kovalev and Froch as I view many of the wins in a different way to you
     
  15. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Thats not the case at all.
    I think Kessler could be ahead. He was a 39-0 unified champ with several big wins